$rate balance=8 flow=7 creativity=5 playability=9 fun=2 design=2 bonus=0
$rate balance=9 flow=9 creativity=5 playability=10 fun=3 design=2 bonus=0
$rate balance=8 flow=9 creativity=4 playability=10 fun=3 design=1 bonus=0
Changed the map a bit.
$rate balance=9 flow=9 creativity=3 playability=10 fun=3 design=1 bonus=0
are you guys aware that a 10 means it’s literally perfect? i.e. 10 playability would mean that parts are implemented in the best possible way, 10 flow that the map is ultimately perfect to speedrun and parts are connected in a very flawless way.. that’s by definition not even possible for maps where the whole gameplay is just fit in a rectangle
Even flow 8 is really high.
$rate balance=8 flow=7 creativity=5 playability=7 fun=3 design=1 bonus=0
the short music loop gets really annoying
wouldn't put it over the whole map
$rate balance=8 flow=8 creativity=5 playability=8 fun=3 design=1 bonus=1
$rate balance=6 flow=8 creativity=2 playability=8 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0
Balance: Some parts are quiet harder in terms of skill and brain for a novice player it is. Flow: Since some parts a bit harder the flow stutters at some point but after playing the map for some time novice players will find their flow definetly. Creativity: 2-3 are rather "creative" the others are just simple 101 stuff which can be found everywhere on novice. Playabiliy: Novice players will find a like it in. Fun: Had not much fun in playing it. But i tried to take a mentallity of a novice player. It can be fun. Desing: Simple, nothing especial. Bonus: -
$rate balance=6 flow=6 creativity=2 playability=8 fun=2 design=1 bonus=0
$rate balance=7 playability=7
it's a generic novice map, like a lot more in novice server, parts are somewhat balanced and like Rico said before some part are a litle bit harder which isn't bad because novice player should learn something while playing novice map. The flow is average and the map is not really speedrun friendly because of tight corridor and parts unadapted to it.
$rate balance=7 flow=7 creativity=2 playability=7 fun=1 design=1 bonus=0
last 2 parts are rly meh and novice 0 compared to rest of map
the music loop didnt annoy me, how long did u stay on the map xd
$rate balance=7 flow=7 creativity=2 playability=8 fun=1 design=1 bonus=0
nothing bad about the map, but nothing good about it either. But if there was a category for effort spent mapping, I wouldn't rate it very high
$rate balance=7 flow=6 creativity=2 playability=7 fun=1 design=1 bonus=0
this is obviously not optimized but rather there to fill space
btw I don't get why there are stoppers after literally every part. allowing players to go back in novice maps is usually good practice (to help others or just so that they can fool around w/e)
and yea creativity is obviously non existend
$rate Balance=7 flow=5 creativity=2 playability=7 fun=1 design=1 bonus=0
Main concern is, that the map isnt really fun to speedrun, which is an important part for novice imo. The max number of novice maps should be a finite number, no1 needs 300 novice maps, since it doesnt take long to improve ur skill and play harder maps.
declined, I guess it's obvious where the problems are
are u stupid wtf? u want brand new creative parts on novice 2*????
no not brand new
ultra brand new
I don't see why this map was declined, it got enough score, and it's decently enough made. You can't make a low-end novice map much more creative than this one.
I agree with jao tbh
Other novice Maps managed to get a higher creativity Score as well
didn't get the required scores btw
that's why declined
You mean the 1 other novice map which had weird switches and stuff?
maybe get actual novice testers? as if beginners would care about creativity when they can barely hook/hammer?? basically all in map release squad are brutal players, u expect them to see anything good in novice maps lol? i think you rly need a novice tester who can see if the maps are nice for beginners.@Rische
speedrunning isnt important for novice, the map is made for beginners not pros who wanna speedrun novice but ye its nice if maps are good for speedrunning but i definitely dont think its important for novice. and about the 300 novice maps part, theres not many actual novice maps, most of them are way too hard for novice server, and also some prefer novice maps so maybe they wanna stay and play on novice server, u mean pros should have 1000 maps to choose between but novice players not? thats dumb
also, last novice release was a year ago, maybe stop being a bitch and release maps?
you don't need to be a novice player to spot that the map was made with low effort. I would happily release a new novice map, but the map should be worth it. for the release only 4 points in creativity are required, that's not an impossible challenge. do something for it, then your map will get a release. as simple as that
its a fucking novice 2* map, it should be simple, not filled with strange "creative" shit parts
you don't need strange creative parts, you can implement old parts in a new original way
I dont agree that novice maps has to be speedrunable (even though, iris is speedrunable) Because if thats the case we sadly have to decline diamond_mines as well. Creativity rating for me not very well thought through from all of the given 6 votes. This is not poor. It is very fair in terms of creativity and in order to understand you got to bring up a very new player and ask about his opinion. There are plenty of things new players will learn in this map for future maps they'll play. Rico is a prime example of his statement about creativity. It's 101 stuff, which for him is nothing new, but for Novice 1* players and people coming to the game today will have fun playing this and rate ofc the creativity overall higher than we would. Maybe I had rated this map too high but surely it's not creativity-2. I hope you get my point.
Ryozuki got kicked thats why apparently 6 are enough
Ryozuki didnt vote
But 50% of votes <25
since kicker and I are blacklisted this is even lower
without ryozuki it’s 6, yea
and those 7 required votes are only for not scheduled maps. on scheduled ones just the result after 1 week counts, number of votes has no requirements there
(scheduled are the ones now marked with ⭐)
with your logic that it’s completely new for novices, creativity would be 10. you obviously compare with other maps from an objective view and not from a new players one
AS i said surely not poor
i can explain u my reasoning tomorrow, jao you are also somewhat wrong in your statement
I just don't understand you should be the least one to rate speedruns
But im drinking tonight, so wait for tomorrow
i have some r1s
Not you jao
Diamond mine is better to speedrun imo, ill explain tomorrow
Its stupid to argue drunk
you gotta agree -2 (poor) creativity is surely not true
I think 2 is more than fair
i think jao‘s argument is not totally right and agree he cant rate it from a speedrun perspective, but cmon
this is a cool map for newcomers
Let me explain tomorrow, ill have my thoughts clear then
ok, but wheres the limit, as i said we dont need 300 novice maps
I think this map is just barely good enough to be released as a novice 2*
it's a good map for newcomers so why not? If you look at the current novice maps this one is by far better
or would you recommend players to play School [Hook/Hammer]?
It's been long since a novice release, and almost nobody seems interested in mapping novice + this map is decent enough so why not release it?
Why would speedrunability should not be a thing for novice ? It's ddrace, race is in the mod name. It's natural, even for newcomer to see that's their time is ranked and they can gain rank by playing it again. Even at a noob level it's a criteria and it gain replayability to the map.
And if they do, they can learn more from the map and improve
Flow maps are always welcome, but it should not be a requirement for a goddamn novice map, novice is not aimed at pros who want to speedrun but at noobs who don't care about flow at all
Anyway this map was declined not because of flow but because of supposed lack of creativity, which is just dumb for a very low difficulty novice map
so we need a tutorial server
because Novice moderate etc.. is just a label for difficulty
not a label who say : only novice level player can play novice
why do we need this map so desperately? link novice players to ddmax servers then, there they can play 50 similar maps, that is definitely enough to keep those guys entertained
they will play it and go back to kobra then
ye I don’t get it. if you wanna make novice players so happy, then why not put effort into mapping
Why not release it? It's not like anyone has a better novice map to offer atm
why release it is the better question, why do we need it so desperately
we have ddmax sev filled with such maps, no need for 1 more
We don't need it desperately, but there was no novice release in a long time and it doesn't look like anyone is making a better novice map
and it doesn’t look like this maps adds anything valuable to ddnet besides 2 mins lame play time
There aren't many maps that very new players can play, and it's boring to replay the same maps until they get good enough to play a harder map
we have a lot maps like this on ddmax and novice already
Not exactly like this, ddmax is bad
and you have enough maps to play until it gets boring
Well even if this is not the highest effort map somebody still put some time into it and would like it released, and I think this map is barely good enough to be released
ye that’s your view of it. luckily we have multiple opinions collected here to be able to say that in ours opinion it’s barely not good enough
it is a close call, but in the end the decision is on one side. and that’s a fair decision then we can live with
If you create rules to make releasing maps less biased you should fully follow them, as RayB. pointed out there is not enough votes
Maybe if you let one more person vote it will be just barely good enough to be released from your side as well
I have cleared raybs concern up, you can read above
and ye close decision can be decided by one person due to it’s nature, in this case the decision is on the negative side. so please respect that like I would respect a fair decision for the other side
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just think this map is good enough to be released, so I argue towards releasing it