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The preview looks like layers are to big and the height can be set smaller

and did you set images in Embedded and not External?

Yes, as I understand it is not necessary to do this?

it is

some images have to be embedded some have to be external

you can read about that in the mapper rules

https://ddnet.tw/rules

I apologize if something is wrong, this is my first map, not all the details are clear to me yet

I need to open the map in editor first to tell you what to do exactly

Okay, thanks

This is the new version.

• Deleted all the unused layers
• Deleted unused quad

Version 3. I forgot about map size, so

• Reduced the height of the map according to the rules

Something's wrong as I see

desert_doodads shouldn't be embedded

and yeah there is something missing i guess xd

generic_unhookable should be in embedded?

Version 4.

• Fixed map size
• Fixed invisible tiles

I think this is the final one

what did you fix?

• Fixed some bad game tiles

looks weird

small startline bug

HEY STOP

right now this map has too many flaws to be released

we will try to give you detailled feedback, but fixing stuff right now will be a time waste i guess

k

so don't waste any further time

but wait for what we want to tell you

kk

All in all it is a ok map but there are a few minor and major mistakes in it. What I think is good is that it feels natural the parts are a bit too much team0 feeling but otherwise very solid.

small startline bug

As mentioned above, it is important to allow a bit more space for players to join teams .

The second free space is a bit unnecessary because you hardly or not at all need it. Especially with Jetpack this space is not used.

The first free space is only necessary because the players cannot see what is coming down. If you pull up the unhooktiles a little bit as shown in the picture as well as the freeze, the part will be smoother because the players see what is happening below and will fly down slower

This part can also be cheated in 2 different ways. The first one does not need the lower left place. The player can use the rocket directly. The second way is just to throw the player up on the top of the block.

The part can be cheated very easily. The first player is thrown through and hopes to stay on the platform. If he falls down, the second player just jumps down and then they both hammer each other at the bottom.

I think that the map is based too much on Team 0 features. Too much hammerhit too much edgejumps. Also, the Team 0 parts that connect the other parts are not really creative. These parts are repeated in the whole map. Which makes the map look very monotonous.

After the 4 teleport the map difficulty level is moderate 3, but before that its more like Burtal. Because the required skill varies a lot in the different parts, the map looks a bit strange. Also, Killtiles do not belong in a solo part when you mapping moderate maps.

The first free space is only necessary because the players cannot see what is coming down. If you pull up the unhooktiles a little bit as shown in the picture as well as the freeze, the part will be smoother because the players see what is happening below and will fly down slower

something like this?

Yeah, it's better this way.

there were some other issues with the map but posting every single issue would take alot of work. we suggest you to show the map some friends before posting and listening to their feedback. if you have any further questions about your map, feel free to ask.

$decline

$decline

good feedback tbh

we did fixed all the issues that the testers team posted there, we can show you the final build

Most parts are cheatable, but mapping wise it's far from the worst I've seen. I can see a bit of potential in the second half of the map, first half is like the usual boring t0 maps.

Since when team 0 is bad?

it's not bad, but I think everyone is a bit tired of seeing just rooms with freeze, try to include some twist

So if we make the first half a little more interesting, will the map come out?

I liked that part, if it wasn't heavily cheatable

We've fixed it

it's not quite good enough for a release imo, as I said most parts are boring or cheatable

spots like this are no good, both me and my partner ended up in freeze because we didn't expect it

mkay

design feels a little bit cluttered with all the doodads

you don't need a separate color for gun-teleport since they are the same tile, also you don't need to take away grenade-tele just to give it back in the next part if you took away the grenade itself

I almost confused this for a finish room tbh

unsolo inside start tiles is not a good idea, it should be before start with a little bit of room left to join a team etc

your sky layer shouldn't have parallax, if you set it to 0 0 it will stay in place and also not scale with zoom out

I think that's everything, hope you can make use of this feedback in your next map

Why can't we fix all the issues of this map and release it, what's the point of not giving this one a chance?

it's easier to start a new one than try to make something good out of this

I dont agree

We are currently making a new version with everything that you posted there fixed

You are testers, why are you canceling a map because of some issues? Aren't you hafta point on the issues and help the mappers publish their map?

generally we advise mappers whether to fix a map or remake/make another based on what we think the easiest way for the mapper and testers is

if you want to fix this map and hopefully release it you can, but if ravie advises to create a new map it's probably easier to just make a new one with all the tips in mind and then submit it

I disagree with his decision

I just think trying to rework this map instead of taking what is good in it and starting a new project will only make it more difficult for you to make a good map

feel free to choose what you want, we're just here to test it and give advice

you can look at ~20 recently released maps to get an idea of what kind of quality we expect for a release

This is all good of course, but why did you cancel the map then, if I have the opportunity to remake it?

I can reset it if you insist, but I'm not sure if it's possible to make it releasable

If it's possible ofc

$reset

but you might end up wasting your time in the end

Remade some parts, map design (idk why did you reported it), fixed some cheat parts, rethinked team0 moments, added one solo part, etc

hope you'll like it now, cuz we do really want to be a part of mapping community

that one isnt tele in entities

we will need some more reworks, but you're going in the right direction

design bugs will come later btw

Well at least you haven't declined the map

you shouldn't rush fixing your map, i would've preferred if you tested this with some friends before uploading, so maybe you can figure out what to improve on your own. the map still needs alot of work in my opinion before it is releaseable. maybe we can collect more opinions about what to do with the map.

I am getting tired of your blind feedback to be honest

Is it really hard to tell what exactly wrong with the map now?

I enjoy this map at it's current state, so I really can't figure out what is wrong on my own

there is barely anything i like in the map, so my suggestion would be that you create a new map :x the map remembers me alot to stronghold, i dont like corner jump, the hammerfly into hammerthrow part is 1 try and faily, the grenade thing is faily if you don't think about it first, you are spamming hh too much and the hh parts are repetitive, the end (after to tele 4) is too easy compared to the rest of the map. it's like moderate 3* when you hit that point, while some other parts are rather brutal. i told you to ask friends for feedback, so you can collect different impressions.

for me this map is alot of work in it's current state, so let's wait for other opinions. i don't want to block this map if other testers like it or anything.

Well I think that you are just not good enough to be map tester lol

what kind of feedback do you expect when the first part of the map starts like this straight outta 2014

What is wrong lol

You expect that in 2020 map can not start with edge + hammerfly?

edge at start can be blocky

mb you will look at some other parts, which i didnt see on other maps? other maps be like: drag + drag + drag + drag???

or your work is just look on entity and say its a bug!!!!!!

I also think the map needs a lot of work to turn into a good release

xd u dont see anything wrong with first part and calling someone bad tester

We've made a few original parts, but everything that you see is edge at the beginning and a design flaws in entity mode

yeah entitie flaws and design bugs don't care rn

we are working on getting the map testing process better structured like focussing on the releaseable question first.

We're talking about map and not about entity flaws

and please don't call me a bad tester 🙂

I will, cuz that's true

welf you are a bad tester

flaming testers wont get you anywhere you dont have to feel offended

I am actually

pretty much everyone you talked here with so far is an experienced mapper, better take their feedback

u only one who talking about entity falws btw

Cuz i am with my friend were FIXING the map for about 8 hourse now and everything that i heard is " MAKE A NEW MAP " and " YOU SHOULD MAKE IT BETR "

No real feedback, onkly default prepared sh!t

it's your right to feel offended, but i gave you feedback about the map, i told you that i dislike it at all

that's my opinion

I asked you to gimme real feedback

i did

there is barely anything i like in the map, so my suggestion would be that you create a new map :x the map remembers me alot to stronghold, i dont like corner jump, the hammerfly into hammerthrow part is 1 try and faily, the grenade thing is faily if you don't think about it first, you are spamming hh too much and the hh parts are repetitive, the end (after to tele 4) is too easy compared to the rest of the map. it's like moderate 3* when you hit that point, while some other parts are rather brutal. i told you to ask friends for feedback, so you can collect different impressions. for me this map is alot of work in it's current state, so let's wait for other opinions. i don't want to block this map if other testers like it or anything.

the testers have pointed out many flaws and cheats in the map, what kind of feedback do you expect

that's what i wrote

real feedback

Every feedback that you gave me is your opinion I think

welf's real feedback

I tried to give you some good things to improve

have you seen the new release?

I tried so hard. Trying to give you tips on how to make some parts better :c is that not feedback ?

:c

im on the server with knuski and welf rn

There is literally no way to cheat now

I tried so hard. Trying to give you tips on how to make some parts better :c is that not feedback ?

yeah and we fixed it, but welf just declined map

i tested the map with tar, we agreed on the stuff he wrote before he sent it

i told you guys to test the map with some friends, because fixing the map would take much time

Instead of saying "make a new map" or "lol edge start in 2k20", "this map looks bad lol" you hafta tell how I can improve the exp of playing this map. what parts can be replaced and WHAT EXACTLY is blocking the way up to it's god damn release

i said something about that

i copied it already

should i copy it again?

Ye, you did

And as I understood

If we fix every of this problems the map will be released?

That's how it should work

then you'd have to fix whole parts and compeltely rework them

I haven't asked bout u

You can't just fix a map within like an hour and then release it. Not if a map has this many issues.

puh

You would need to replace your old parts with new parts.

Aka you need to go through a creative process

fixing maps like this until they're ready usually doesn't go well, it takes a looong time and many test just to get an okay release in the end

This map is really unbalanced, some parts are way too easy while others are way harder, giving it a rating would be hard. Try mapping parts of equal difficulty

we already told them about the map being unbalanced

i think 2 or 3 times

Welf mentioned only a few parts as a bad ones, so why do you all say that the hole fkn map is a bad shit

and every parts hafta be replaced

I did never mention only a few parts as bad ones.

Look at your feedback

rocket part and a beginning

What feedback are you referring to?

there is barely anything i like in the map, so my suggestion would be that you create a new map :x the map remembers me alot to stronghold, i dont like corner jump, the hammerfly into hammerthrow part is 1 try and faily, the grenade thing is faily if you don't think about it first, you are spamming hh too much and the hh parts are repetitive, the end (after to tele 4) is too easy compared to the rest of the map. it's like moderate 3* when you hit that point, while some other parts are rather brutal. i told you to ask friends for feedback, so you can collect different impressions. for me this map is alot of work in it's current state, so let's wait for other opinions. i don't want to block this map if other testers like it or anything.

that

ah ok and the finish

and hh

I think that the map is based too much on Team 0 features. Too much hammerhit too much edgejumps. Also, the Team 0 parts that connect the other parts are not really creative. These parts are repeated in the whole map. Which makes the map look very monotonous.

After the 4 teleport the map difficulty level is moderate 3, but before that its more like Burtal. Because the required skill varies a lot in the different parts, the map looks a bit strange. Also, Killtiles do not belong in a solo part when you mapping moderate maps.

your map is pretty short so i basically mentioned like 50% of the map

with those descriptions

i don't like the other parts aswell

we've already did alot of work to make map not team0ed

as you see tar wrote about the map being unbalanced

your feedback's out of date

you should all calm down lol

then you didnt care about changing anything about the map being unbalanced

and then you reupload the map and complain about us being bad?

come join so we can show you

You are bad only in the part you are saying that we have to give up our work

Wtf is that lol

k

i miss hi_leute_gll

ye we need someone like hi_leute_gll

shit map declined

hi_welf_gll

if you flame him

See this is bad this is bad and this is bad, declined and out

ban from discord

I think it's best if we leave it at that for now and come down. Maybe it would be better to revisit it at a later date.

._.

That's how testers in ddnet works?

Idk map btw

Pls

dont troll lul

usually mappers are a bit less touchy but yeah

usually no one insults anyone

cool map when rls

even if discussions can get heated, you should always respect each other

So why don't you respect us?

we do

a last time: we told you that the map is unbalanced, we told you which parts are unbalanced, then you reupload another version and you didn't do anything about the map being unbalanced

at some point i don't want to waste further time, i tried to help you, you don't listen but insult me.

bla bla bla bla $decline

we just testing the mao

respect

You can join the server so people give you more feedback

dunno the pass

STILLPUFFA JUST JOIN THE TESTSERVER

nimrocks

passwords is nimrocks

It looks like a solid moderate map for me

disconnect your dummy from the server pls

shii mb

but i just watched, if Welf say its unbalanced hes right i guess

done

ty <3

New version

• Fixed a lot of issues with solo parts
• Tried to rebalance the map
• Renewed start now supports more players
• Remade few parts
• Entities now looks better in entities mode

can you check the map again?

ill try to have a look tonight, also try asking cerified testers lmao. I feel honored but they might have a more professional look at things.

I posted new version yesterday and I still have got no messages from the testers

that's why i pinged you

yeah np, but just so you know im not an official tester :D

k thats ok

this part is still skippable by going to the right

the (now rocketpart) is still skippable by just jumping in after a hammer

and there is a faily edge at the end of the jetpack part

this part is still too cramped up and disrupts flow too much

and overall the map is a bit too short in my opinion. i think even with all parts fixed the flow and originality of the map just wont be enough to make for a fun map.

New version

• Fixed skippable parts (Rocket, throw)
• Fixed failable place in jetpack part
• Rocket part is now more spacious allowing more players to stay

I do not think that the length of the map heavily affects something, It takes 30 mins for me and my team to finish it

It took me 8 min with dummy

R1 will probably be something like 3 minutes

Looks like ure skilled enough 😄

what about now?

i think, you will call me a bad tester again, if i answer to this question

That's how testers work ?

Your job is to test maps

So test the map

nope it's not

that's not our job

we're not paid

therefore, it's not a job. stop acting entitled, we have lives too and can't always be testing

So why he is testing lead when he does not test the map lol

how can i get my map ingame then if this guy is not testing it lol

let me decide then

here's a quick question

how many other maps are in testing rn

do you know

nope

ok

it's 40

40 other maps that testers are working on. asking testers each day to test your map is like asking the president to listen to each individual person in his/her country. there's not enough testers and they don't have enough time to test each map every day

You had time to insult us and say that ourmap is shit

тут 100 карт кроме твоей чел

please be a little considerate of others and just give it a little time, your map will get tested

зачем ты пишешь

Закройся

люди год ждут

Закройся

у тебя 2 дня на тесте карта

Закройся

ты уже горишь нереально как тебе все должны

Закройся

k

i would just decline his map, hes retarded af

0 respect to anyone

why even pay effort to his maps

Отклони карту только потому что я лично тебе плохо ответил

Я тебе даже не писал ничего

я смотрю че ты пишешь тут

0 уважения ко всем

$decline

нтебе никто не должен ничего

Какая разница что он тут пишет, ты к чему тут вообще

Какая рили разница как я лично тебе отвечаю

не твое дело

Since we all saw now, that working with the mapper on the map is impossible, i will decline the map.

stop insulting and stop being annoying. At this point it would take too much ressources to make the map good. Ofcourse if somebody wants to help the mapper, they can do that, but not in the ddnet testing section. We gave you 2 chances to rework the map and both failed. As i told you i suggest you to talk to other players and ask them for help and feedback.

$decline

some design bugs

oh wait too late

now you haven't even explained what the problem is, but you declined it

lol

who the fuck said that the map is finished for now

ur stupid tester af

great behaviour

how many chances do you want lol

I can publish in this channel as many different versions of the map as I like, why does this animal cancel the map if this is not the final version?

maps should be completely finished before you submit them to ddnet. it's not that the map is unfinished, but it has too many bugs and it'll be faster if you fix it in your own time rather than going through a lengthy testing process.

he is just a spoiled child, just ask admins to close that topic

Where did I say that this version is ready for publication? I asked to check the things I fixed, blind

if the map is unfinished, then you can re-submit it when both you fix the map and your behavior.

Maps canceled, what's the point of posting something

big uf

We are not your personal testers who will transform any map you send into a good map, because that would cost us alot of time. We are polishing your map, if it's somewhat good, but still has some flaws.

Flaws?

Did you saw the map in it's current state?

bug

You didn't even point out the mistakes, you just silently canceled it

he told you 100 times what's wrong

make a new map, post it, and stop insulting people who are trying to help you

it's not a bug, just annoying part

maybe you should try to come up with some more original parts

That's everything that u see?

Is this your way of testing - undo the map and only then look at it, dumbass?

someone just mute him for insulting

jesus christ, can someone mute or kick this guy

I don't care anymr

Ure just bunch of idiots

who is the idiot here

You first use your privileges to cancel the map, and only then look at it

Even with knowledge that map isn't even finished

Garbage

maybe you should try to come up with some more original parts

i like how maps that you released are having just drags + drags

God save this mapper

trying create original parts: $decline

More drags for the god of drags

making alot of drags: $accept

I like the logo

it's not about your map anymore, it's your bad behaviour

thats how welf works

and map SHOULD BE FINISHED

Why should you care about my behavior

stop acting cringe and chill wtf, inst even funny anymore

We're talking about thing here

yea, keep insulting people - that will get your maps released

Yea keep declining unfinished maps

because nobody wants to hear insults for his volunteer work

because nobody wants to hear insults for his volunteer work

can i see work here?

https://ddnet.tw/rules

or only just $decline or some shit?

So why do you think that I wan't to see my map $decnined for my volunteer work?

выйди, сашкоёб

сане привет кста

опа

не пиши

Шлюхам привет

voluntary does not mean good

"Make sure that your map works, the design is done, and the common problems listed above are solved. When you are ready to release your map, send it to us on Discord."

And how do we know that our card is not ready if you canceled it for no reason

so is testing on ddnet works without tests?

ONE UNORIGINAL PART $DECLINE

$decline every map with drags and hammerflys, I think that I saw this things somewhere already

One part that looks like stronghold one just for me? $decline

you admitted the map is unfinished - that can be a reason to decline it

$decline -- da best tool dat testers have

we can't spend time on mapping together with you

I do not argue, but how can I fucking find out what is wrong with the map, if this clown just canceled it because I answered him wrong

Any ideas uh?

the map is just shit

Lol

that's what hes trying to tell you in a nice way

Again and again

You can't even explain why

Cuz ure just a stupid cow that repeats everything that your owner said

XDDD

wuff wuff

is my owner

I said that

We understand you're a little upset since your map got declined, but acting rude towards testers and other players because of that is not tolerated here. If you still want your map to be released, you can go over all the messages we sent in this channel and fix different parts of your map. If you'd like to know what to fix, please scroll up and read the screenshots and messages. Your map should generally have more creative parts for a team 0 map and should also be more balanced. You can look at recent team 0 maps to see what a good example of a map is. Insulting people and causing more drama here will just make things worse. If you think the map is unfinished, please work on it, finish it, and resubmit it again. If you choose to finish the map and choose to cooperate with testers, feel free to resubmit the map. For now, we will close the channel.

you had a second chance to improve the map, after we saw that wasn't going anywhere we decided to decline