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So I've given this map a genuine chance, which it doesn't really deserve given the circumstances in which it was submitted and that totally legit server setting. It's just bad setup parts, structure and design are terrible. Take a look at recent releases at https://ddnet.org/releases/ in order to get an idea of what kind of quality we're looking for 😉.
$decline
you did not give it a chance and likely didn't even do a single part
also wtf you mean? sv_no_weak_hook_and_bounce is a server setting that makes both players have strong hook
also i put a note saying the design will be redone, but I just wanted to test gameplay for this rn before doing design to make sure that its okay
instead of insta-declining because you don't like me for whatever reason, let the real testers unlike yourself try the map please
that means it shouldn't be used until it's decided that it should, so currently it doesn't exist
design needs to be finished when you submit a map
I assume that means someone who would release this 😂
I'm not going to spend hours figuring out a nice design before knowing if the gameplay is even permitted. Plenty of maps get submitted with design unfinished and the testers always say that gameplay needs to be solved before design so they will show them gameplay fixes first.
they can give me the criticism of the gameplay that is the entire point of the testing channel
what's unclear about my criticism to you?
"So I've given this map a genuine chance"
saying that without even loading the map up on test server
I went over the map with my dummy on lan, checked out every part
then give me feedback on the parts, which ones did you like, which ones didnt you like? what was bad about them? what can I do better? I'm not asking for design critique, since i used default textures and am not working on design yet.
Well like I said it's all setup parts, press the right button and get kill edge etc. The structure is terrible so maybe the map as a whole wouldn't seem as bad if the structure was better
New fashion is fighting with testers
Your map must be comleted everywhere, gameplay and design, before submit dat
Not true. Another testing lead (Pipou) said we can submit maps without a design just to test gameplay to not waste too much time on it if the gameplay is bs.
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This is what info says
What Ravie says overrules what Pipou says.
I agree with ravie on this map
after you figure out the parts it becomes free and lame
this map is just try until you got the part right in practice mode
I mean lets be real, not finishing the design on your map kinda just shows the level of confidence you have in your map where you expect parts to be changed because the gameplay isnt good enough
and that text segment in the map is just cope
not finishing the design on your map kinda just shows the level of confidence you have in your map He might be confident in his map but he is not confident in his map testing. There are SOME obvious reasons why.
Putting a lot of efforts in design knowing that the map will be declined for whatever reason is just dumb. I personally 100% agree on this point, I personally would want to see some other tester's review on this map but I guess its pointless... (because testing lead opinion > any other opinion)
IMO Ravie just dislikes Skystrife and this is the main reason why it was instadeclined.
maybe if the map had deco itd have a higher chance
this is applicable for any other map too btw
ye but if you replay most of the maps most of the difficulty remains
while on this map the only difficult thing is figuring the part out
you mean like this map
Well this is quite a melancholic "outcome" if i may say so
the gameplay is subpar in my opinion and would need a large rework
i looked at it independently around the same time ravie did yesterday and i agree with his criticisms
This is a secret so don't tell anyone, but I deeply hate every mapper whose map I decline on a personal level
Ok