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Finally I joined

I get that this map is trying to help out newer players by showing them how things work, but this is wayyyy too much text, even for a tutorial style map

rather than help them, I think this would overwhelm them

for columns like these, I would advise against spamming the symbols. Try spacing them out a little

something like this might be a bit more pleasant to the eyes

this looks a bit weird to have the text overlapping the column, maybe just put the text above the map

when you put the freeze on top of hookthrough, it looks like unhookable

you can fall/fly off the map to the right here

just 1-2* novice, but with text

got it

fix them soon

because I cant find the image just like tutorial

make itself

Fill forgotten wall;make labels transparent;remove some symbols

Why robot didnt do anything

Add labels;remove more symbols

make hookthrough more transparent;add clouds for background

Is it OK now?

I did a little testing and imo the hookthroughs are too transparent now

this issue remains

clouds in front of text

maybe im not good enough, but i dont think this part is possible with just jetpack and hook

most parts are not big enough for t0

i dont think a tutorial map needs to be faily like this. i would add a back teleport.

Don’t they have endless there? I think it should be fine

If not though I would agree

no

Yeah even if that’s doable it’s way too hard for this map

got it

But I tested by myself and I can pass here

What I meant was that it is hard in comparison to the rest of the map

Same with the gores tbh

Gores part?

At the end I mean

ok

I can make it shorter

It’s just my opinion I’m not a tester so you don’t have to change it if you don’t want to

I think Its not bad to change it

All right It cant be passed

I forgot to test

Make the first jetpack part shorter;clouds now behind the labels and the chains

Add back tele;add forgotten end race;make gores part shorter

Any more problem?

The speed of clouds now different

also "hook can through wall when this time" doesn't make sense

my fault

Update labels;make clouds smaller

Anything else?

^

make sure hookthrough looks consistent

Of course

I think its strange if theres no freeze under block when they beside freeze

hookthrough is yellow now

?

bruh

idk

add more back tele;add more turn off entities

Its no problem when I test.How did you do it?

I didn't do anything special...

All right

I'll test again

some of the sentences are not correctly formed

theres this ... at the end somewhy

also think theres to much text

the idea is nice

its just not well executed

Remove some text;Add more back tele

still no problem

update last part

Anything else?

relese it ！！！

I dont think it'll release soon

Im also waiting for release now

XD

I'll finish another map if this one doesnt release

just wait

eight hours later...

Could be months or even a year (ask soapy) be patient

Besides there are 20+ maps in testing

ok

so I can prepare next map?

make as many maps as you like

got it

do insane map

Maybe you should wait some feedback from this map so u can learn things, bcs i saw some screenshots and what I can tell doesn’t look good

all right

remove back tele because players always fall into it

red - if you wanted to mention that specifically this block is hookable, maybe it would be better to make rest unhookable, so its only thing you can hook?

yellow - as the starting is supposed to be a guide to hooking, and it is a solo part, i think placing the startline on very beggining when you start the actual map would be a better idea (when you get out of solo)

also on solo parts its better to place totele on ground

I won't go in much details, but in my opinion the map is unreleasable bcs of:

• too crowded, as example you can take starting room. There is simply no enough space over whole map (if you need examples lmk). It's really hard to imaginate how a full, or half server would fit on this map

• unbalanced ( parts difficulty jumps from 1 to 5 and vice versa. Also i don't think placing gores on a tutorial map is a good idea, especially as an last part and in a novice)

• the map structure (parts do not connect well, and i can't feel the flow overall)

• parts are mostly boring and repetitive, even for a guide map

• map is too short

and ofc the design, it doesn't meet current standards, understanding meanings of signs for a newbie player would be complicated

I personally think starting a new map from 0 would be a better idea rather than trying to fix current one, as it would take too much effort. I would recommend taking inspiration from newer novice releases to have a general idea how a novice map should look. (I personally think a good example would be "Lavender Forest" or "Sunny Side Up") If you have any questions, or want detailed examples feel free to ask.

And i want to mention that this is just my opinion, you don't have to listen to it, nor change anything if you don't want. Waiting a feedback from a tester would be generally better

saw this randomly in test server and its way too hard for novice

plus looks terrible with all the lines u put and text everywhere

idk if that was an old version of map i saw

I have pretty much nothing to add

$decline