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add unfreeze
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yes
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impossible part
can u hammer from right
currently 2am xd sorry brain not working
that hookthrough not necessary I guess,not a big problem
didnt have any problem with gameplay except 50% of map is waiting for unfreezes
f3 put 1 tile hole in freeze lines so u can skip 3s
the design of this map makes me want to play fancy pants adventures again ngl xd
i dont get your problem with waiting for unfreeze. there are only a minimum of 30 spots for waiting for unfreeze. so u only waste 1 min 30 sec in 1 run for it. thats high quality gameplay in my opinion
muh 12 seconds
map has brain parts so waiting a bit longer can be helpful. it also awards the player to use more brain, as jumping through a freeze only to go back through it after realising the part works differently punishes the player. when everything is full of unfreeze it's fast play and people just rush through it. also the design wouldn't really work with unfreeze, as it should mark the unfreeze (on a sketched map) and that would add a lot more tiles to the design and removing the cleanness / simpleness. and in the end missing unfreeze is only a slight inconvenience to speedrunners, and they shouldn't be the targeted audience.
I didn't make this map with any flow/speed in mind so adding speedrun features doesn't fit
Maybe just use 2sec freeze
has normal freeze become taboo or what?
Idk but 1 sec less at least can't hurt. I haven't seen the map yet tho
really nice map and the freeze times arent that bad but this is a novice imo
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I played it again and focusing on the time waiting for freeze is quite longer than I first thought, I counted about 30 times just waiting for one player to unfreeze, so 90 seconds. I think unfreeze is still wrong, but if you add
in the server settings you don't need to change a tile. since the community is very split on this topic this could be a good compromise for all
2 sec freeze is a non-default setting so sorry but no
unfreeze is good, ppl enjoy speedrunning moderate maps for fun and they don't want to be playing aled III when doing so
unfreeze is better than 2s freeze tho since modified freeze duration should only be used in some cases or on im corneum parts
its not required to add unfreeze ofc but it makes ur map so bad to speedrun with no flow
it's not a flow map so I won't even try to make it one
its basically the same as not putting unfreeze in toteles but oh well
no because in teles you wait to try the part again, here after unfreezing you always progress so it's not annoying
if you really want this than it's your choice. I don't mind too much as I see both arguments, but as you know the intention with this map it's your decision.
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Map was painfully slow to run without unfreeze. I think you should reconsidered shortening freeze duration or adding unfreeze. Also this map feels more novice than moderate to me
f3
maybe ravie is into bdsm
should definitly be declined because of not adding unfreeze
wtf is mapper choice
he intended the map in a certain way and his decision to not alter the gameplay is that choice. I think it's bit sad an how everyone only talked about unfreeze and novice rating so far, it's actually a very clever map with good gameplay and great design. only complains and against his intent I saw so far, hence I didn't feel like forcing Ravie to change especially after he repeatedly said he doesn't want to change. I also see his reasons and besides that can respect his decision. but if you feel he has to change something for sure, that his decision will cause harm or is against our testing than reset it and force that.
damn if only we could still see Iris testing channel and show how Ravie butchered that map for the tiniest changes
https://ddnet.tw/testlogs/show/Iris wdym he posted 2 screenshots besides, does it matter? if this is a discussion about justice and what happened in the past than it doesn't belong here. not important who the mapper is, just what the map is. everything important has been said for me so I don't wanna argue here anymore. if a tester thinks the gameplay must be changed I am not against a reset and open for that kind of discussion.
it could be a good map, I just really didn't enjoy it and it was because of the constant waiting around. There did appear to be some interesting parts to the map but I found myself just growing to hate the map the more I played it.
Personally I don't think it should be released the way it is but maybe others enjoy it.
maybe we should make an internal vote and sort it that way out
$reset until then
not moderate map
novice
I see nothing wrong with this map. But there were 3 places where it should have some unfreeze. Overall Ravie, amazing design style + animation really smooth (Love it). It has really nice flow, cool new drags, but in some places it stopped me cause no unfreeze but yeah oh and also this isnt moderate at all. Its 4 - 5 novice, probably 5. GG on the map Ravie, nice work
This is 2 parts i mentioned, on the top part its a bit annoying to cross left and right and wait like 9 or 12 second (in total) all the time. And the bottom part the noobs that will play this im pretty sure they will fall in there + in team imagine.
And this is last part i felt like waiting alot. Some unfreeze there would help continue with the flow ^-^ but yh the rest because they are basic drags its ok to wait, helps people take more time to think of what to do and also its a short map so imo its fine (and yh im talking as a novice map bcs thats how it felt like)
add unfreeze
i'd add alot of unfreezes
like here
or here
just to not make players wait for nothing
i always hate it when map makers don't think about unfreezes
altho it got better with newer maps
pls think about that
i agree with quix
the map isnt moderate
its like 3-4 stars
novice
idk what's the point in resetting if I already answered the big unfreeze question
and it's moderate because it's brainy, better players take game mechanics for granted
Can confirm as a moderate-novice player, first time playing i failed like thrice because my brain were disabled
80% of the map is basic drags
Make speedrun great again with unfreeze
ℹ️ Frequently Asked Questions:
1. Will you add unfreeze or decrease freeze time? A: no
2. Will you reconsider? A: no
3. Do you care about people crying at lack of unfreeze? A: no
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Am I interested in any suggestions for improvement? No
yes and the 80% of basic drags i have done easily, but there are some confusing parts which a noob player like me will need a to think on it, but i thinked only after i realised that i failed.
as for example this xDDD
if you curious how dumb i can be then that's how i failed first time, after i did red line i just did jumped on freeze coz im retarded and no brain so i couldn't save myself😎
well, on my opinion first-time-play is a moderate map as you have to think and you can fail in some spots, and novice after first attempts as once you understand your mistake you can't really fail again
I don't see any "basic drags", every part has a concept behind it
i dont want to send 10 screenshots xDD but there are some parts that u dont need to think of it either because people wont run into the freeze that randomly or the part is really straight forward
being easy doesn't make them "basic drags"
isnt basic = easy? or like simple, like it doesnt take to much to think on a part :3
they may be simple to do but from my perspective there's nothing basic
don't argue with Testing Leader
there is absolutly no reason to not add unfreeze to not make people wait 3 seconds for no reason
there is absolutely no reason to add unfreeze*
make people not wait 3 seconds
and not moving at all
😭 waiting 3 seconds
it simply doesn't fit this map and makes you think a bit more
ravie really thinks we need 2 extra minutes to figure out his """brainy""" parts lmao
map is 3mins long with unfreeze,maybe its better if it doesnt have unfreeze to extend map length
corneum really thinks he's funny lmao
at least im right
only I know if you're right because only I know what I think, and you're not
same
I didn't say I'm right, genius
when add unfreeze
its a ravie map. it will be rlsd as it is now. no matter its shit without unfreeze or not. 99% says add unfreeze and make the map better. so just make it better. it wont change gameplay, unfreeze doesnt make the map easier...it just get better flow and more fun to play. also for speedruns this map is terrible. im pretty sure no speedrunner have fun with this since 50% of gameplay is just waiting. but as i said. its a ravie map and it will be rlsd like it is now
thank you for your feedback!
also, map is too easy, should be novice not moderate
broken part still in
Sketch the unfreeze :D
what part is broken
3-5sec less then original way
how is aiming for perfect edge is 5 sec faster than walk 1 tile more
with mousesens 1 bind
this is absurd
walk 1 tile more?
xD
just saying that u can cheat this part and save some sec's
definitely the biggest "cheat" on this map 🧐
yes and easy to fix
Most ugly design award winner 2021
nice design! nice "learn to play map". add unfreeze and go for novice 2 star i think
well looks like ravie is rly stubborn on not changing unfreeze
other than that, i think this map is novice not moderate
novice 4/5
we should also keep in mind that mainly novice players will be playing this, so they will take longer to think of the correct way for parts
in this case the 3 second freeze times may not have such of a large effect on novice players as it does on testers
i still think adding unfreeze is better but that's a viewpoint to keep in mind, that it won't be as annoying to players who actually are fit for this map as it is to testers.
i think glassbox 3 stars or corbas 4 stars are much harder then this map. so 4/5 stars??
learn how to play map = 2 stars i think
yeah but we have a new rating scale for newer novices if u have noticed, easier maps have gotten higher star ratings compared to the past
ah okay, no dont know.. i mean easy points.. from my side u can do 21 points, but in comparison to other maps its unfair.
yes this map is 4 - 5 * novice
Yes i would also add it to novice
you just need your brain in 2 parts so and pretty unfaily i think
adding unfreeze would be better
I'm just saying out of experience that this map won't be as fun to play with freeze but it's your map man
I better remove freeze then
I mean unfreeze
yeah it won't be as fun with unfreeze
Dude you get what i mean
I'm retarted but your map is more retarted
thanks
$change server novice
where unfreeze
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comparing to other places in map you should consider this as a bug. There should be a tiny 1 more corner on the left side of image
I already knew about this, it looks better this way
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Why should this be released when Ravie disagrees with everything bad what is said about the map
because overally this is a pretty good map
But not listening to feedback from people is just bad and he is the testing lead
We can see here that testing lead want something else for ddnet then 90% of the community
^this
u cant rly make that argument since ravie isnt acting as a testing leader here, he's acting as a mapper
ofc not adding unfreeze is a bad thing to do if everyone thinks its better with unfreeze, but this map is still releasable without unfreeze, and theres no requirement that maps must have unfreeze etc. so it's up to mapper choice
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welf incident was about to happen
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does animations in gfx_high_detail 0 matter btw? otherwise i think this is ready
then you have no walls
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nice on
u just got nouis'd
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when rls? xD
u forgot something too
I forgot to call u stupid
no wonder welf left testing
that was completely different lol
This map would've been more enjoyable if there were unfreeze
why tf no unfreeze
like im playing tw to play
not to wait