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sorry, this is my first map, there could be a lot of things wrong

I have tried to correct some of them

didn't played it but it looks like you did put a lot of effort into it, got to appreciate that for sure

with reference to design .. less is more sometimes

thank you for your support and advice. for the design, I wanted to show a better visual effect, so it might look like I used a lot of things

corners

fix corners, thanks to

and here, the deeper actually is background

but i saw corners of that "background"

im sorry i can't find it

mmm

maybe im retard

stop

stop

dont have the map with sound + team alert on an envelope

and u can change the color to match bg a little better

im nitpicking but the chains in spawn are a bit buggy

and in entities it is very ugly, maybe put only one TURN OFF ENTITIES sign

and since there are so many switches and whatnot, you can just have a single teleporter in spawn to lead to a room with all the switches needed, to the final tele spot (if that makes sense.)

however, this is not a very big deal

thanks for the advice. i'll correct these later

change the color of tips to match the background, put the dummy setup in another room, delete chains, change the envelope of mws and team alert, thanks to

remove some misplaced images, add a sound effect

fix some skip; change the form of sunlight; add missing tile; fix the stones which not enough one tile high; thanks to Cøke

sorry, forgot some missing tile

1.-missing unfreeze 2.- bug design

here the 3 can rocket up: 1.- normal rocket 2.- dummy holds rocket and the player hammer him

the part its kinda confusing, u should indicate here where one have to go to

here is less problematic go the 3 up and then do the part with the 18 cp

this cp is bad placed as others

the backs should be totele not with cp

overall the map is nice

just has to be polished

thanks for your feedback!! i ll fix these problems later

fix some gameplay or design problems, thanks to

add stoppers to avoid 3 up at first

add a door to avoid 3 up

add stoppers and cp to avoid skip

make dummy icon darker

should i have to remake all the parts or just some of them?

just wait other for the map test, or you can change the part if you think its not good enough

remake parts

fix corners and some design problems

fix design problems, remake part cp12

remake 50% parts

fixed a design bug

change the ahpla of freeze tile and the color of tele, make them easier to distinguish; removed the disappear cutscene of tips, player can always see tips now; put info group behind the game, player now can stand in front of the info; buff/debuff in freeze are have darker color, indicate they are covered by freeze; fix some skips and design bugs, thx to cheeser0613

please dont do this kind of freeze (time waste)

most of the part still have issue of gameplay balance

find a place to add tele so they can back quickly

not that smooth to back if they walled

consider to let the height same

why do you need to solo/unsolo on this part when the map are team forced? if you really need then i think there must be a better place to unsolo so the flow will become smoother

the time cp will only display +- for the player who touched

move the un-unlimited jump to here otherwise it will chat spam everytime when you fail

consider to remove these freeze, its annoying if you fail inside and your mate need to find an angle to sg you out

fill the switch

this hook is not smooth enough as imagine, it will be great if its a 1-hook drag

you can remove this cp19

also the tips, since they can only get in the tele after they pass the part

let the tile that under the freeze more different, since its still looks similar

also this little sun

$waiting

remove unnecessary tips and most faily freeze remake first part and part tele14 buffed part tele6 going from totele7 back to totele6 becomes smoother time cp is now touchable to all players except dummy moved unlimited jump behind the totele fill switch6 make tele21 drag smoother make the tile under the freeze darker make the unfreeze sun lighter

same situation as what i mention before

i would like to know how this part work in your imagine actually, my way to pass this is extremely not smooth you forgot to remove the untities off

fix

design bug

corner, and i think the laser should be infront of the tele

missing background, also i dont think its good to hide the shield behind the design

entities bug, also if you allow player to go through the freeze, you should also point out the tele in design (or remove tele in entites, but im prefer on fix the design)

it will be better if it was tele imo

some unfreeze that not important to mention get pointed out in design view and some didn't, maybe you would like to unifi about which unfreeze should have in design and which not

only this range of time cp make common sense for me

other time cp is too far

time cp 6 is for dummy only

fill something inside the hookthrough will have better look imo (but you need to figure out which color look better for yourself, if you think let it empty will be a better choise then ignore what i said)

1 extra block here might let the part smoother (need to test yourself and ignore the changes if it get worse)

since you cant pass the map when your team is less than 3 tee, better remove this otherwise the teamrank system will buggy and no one gain teamrank

also you might want to prevent this kind of redo

i dont saw any reason why you need hook blocker here

the "entities off" stuff shouldn't be part of HD, also fix the door and let that fence be part of hd

same situation on other place, you should check again

removed unnecessary tips

removed some useless entitle tips

fixed design bugs

put the shield in front of design, add some BG

marked tele in HF part

replaced stoppers with tele

checked most of unfreeze and gave some of them design

replaced time cp

add a stopper make part-tele32 smoother

delete command: sv_min_team_size 3

prevent players fall down

delete useless hook blocker

rearranged part of HD

U should try to reduce the file size it’s way to heavy

the music actually makes up more than half of the file size, and i don't want to get rid of them for now

i reduced the music size as much as possible when i added them

think about the placement again, because theyll also touched it when they fail the drag

when you place the time cp you should also consider the scenario about what +- will they saw when they swap place for second run

what i want to point out is, time cp 10 is a bad placement here because player for cp22 will touch the time cp earlier than his partner, either pick a better placement or you can decide to not have time cp for this kind of part

same situation happen on time cp 7 12 13

location of time cp in this version is almost the same as the last version, bcs i can't find a better solution

there are very few places in the map where two players can pass a part at the same time, and i don't think it's worth to remake parts to replace time cp

except some parts are not good enough and need to be remake

remove bgm

add new start/finish line envelope animation

add new parts

refile

new animation for logo

fix bugs

remake HF part

fixed skips

fixed design bug

deleted tele to make it easier

added a stopper

the second way do the part

made easier

moved location of this tele to make part easier

removed one of the ht to make the way clearly

removed unnecessary unhook

changed the form of special thanks (with animation)

remove "join a team"

added unfreeze make players can redo the part quickly

renumber the tele and switch

so someone could test it please

fixed switch bugs

wrong map sry

real fixed

made easier

fixed skip

some little change

remake for shotgun

remake

small change

btw has anyone tested my map already before?

Just wait another month bro you'll be fine

I love the parts, very good map

but the design is unplayable

is there any design looks bad?

tell me and i will consider to fix them

sound envelope is empty

i checked and didnt see any empty envelope, what do you mean?

wind

or sound layer will be remomve

you mean the group:Sound?

i've already added the sound

close to time cp 3

sry i did not hear it, you are right

its ok

maybe force getting speed like this a little better

or u could perhaps make less space to force them to use that one tile gap

for example, making all that hookable

maybe add some space between these 2 hooks:

shotgunb isnt rly needed here since speedfly is easier way imo

raise the bottom by 1 so u can hook from top?

also that part is kinda hard compared to others

its not soloable right? so you can remove solo/unsolo

part is nice but would be nicer if u can do it without hookblock

try to give more speed for dummy to go > of stopper here

give more space to get speed

make dis part a bit easier

maybe just the top platform a block or 2 less high

and can you change markings for dummy and player thruout the map

hard to tell them apart here, just a change in color would be good

player color - pink, it can stay

dummy marking - dark purple

also background of design needs to be less saturated

and tree colors for the 2 paralax bgs should be more similar to both eachother and sky

maybe make 1 of those blocks on the edge a hookthru to make this hook a bit easier

this was kinda annoying to set up every time i failed it

good map i enjoyed it

$waiting

its good

about this part i prefer to keep the original. i will remake that if necessary

and the last, im not good enough at art to adjust a comfortable color

this is the best i can do

change animation

and fixed a lot of design bugs

time cp

fixed bugs

change bg color

remove stopper to prevent fail

i think this color is still not good enough, any suggestions?

change animation for fog

this might solve the weak hook bug

changed the border of trees to make it look more natural

fog is moving faster now by animation

just as cold as it is here

change the star color which refer to speeders

remake part cp 19

remove the hookblock

map now has no hookblock

really no hookblock on the map now

change the color of tele

changed representation of tele when overlapped with stopper

thingie

thanks for helping!!

really good map

cheat here

cheat?

feels kinda too tight

maybe make these two parts more obvious to do, got stuck for an awkward 20 mins

the rest of the map is real good

this is a bit harder to do and its fun to do so i think its fine to keep

idk what intended way is i just did that and went on

u just throw teammate to other side lol

oh

or hammerrun

this map is good af

cant wait for rls

ye its fun

i gotta give praise to this part

thanks for helping test, and i would like to explain the issue you pointed out

i had fix the problem in the first video. in the second video, as louis said, I think any ways can be kept as long as it can used to do that part

here is my solution for the first video

for this part, this is my rational situation, i think there's plenty of room to do this part in this way, and how did you do here?

for here, actually u need a little brain here, and i have put some tips in there. it may not be obvious, but i will change this if necessary

ohh

i did from right side

lol

or just brute force

fixed

whats intended way here

there are some minor issues with the map that need to be fixed and i may not have time to do that until a few days later, could testers put this map in waiting channel?

$waiting

fixed all the issues cyberFighter pointed out

change color; add unhook to prevent hammerjump from bottom

up 1 tile

change color

change color again

it is now clear whether it is dummy or players

1.- make this longer 2.- close that with stoppers maybe 3.- put this chunk of tele on another colour so player can understand that you have to go there

that would do it

maybe this way is bad way to try to force the part but idk its just an idea

removed unnecessary speeders

fix corners

add command

if you allow dummy get a finish as 3 tee finish record, then you can keep it

i still don't know how sv_min_team_size command works. someone told me that i need to add this command to limit the minimum players in team

should i delete this command or make dummy pass the finish line then kill it?

no the command is sv_max_team_size 3

min_team_size is that people wont get better teamranks when they started with more people to skip something and get better time than legit 2p teams

oh wait

u dont want less people than 3 play this map. But the map is designed that u can only finish with the dummy right?

then u dont need to add that minimum size

yes, in my opinion, dummy is the key to make players pass the finish line, and dummy wont get any rank or points

Yeah then u dont have to add that minimum size. Other 3 or 4p maps dont have that too

ok i get it, thanks

change these stoppers into one-way stoppers

delete command "sv_min_team_size"

reduce the size of fog

moved the tree

moved the tree again and i try to add some mountain

the mountain looks bad, i give up

i went through the map again but in the other view and now i felt there are some parts that are tight which make the gameplay weird or uncomfortable

this part feels kinda empty, maybe make it bigger and follow with the mini drag that u started

this whole part is kinda easy compare with other parts of the map you can just rocket or sg and you have the whole thing done

the sg solo its ok, but the rocket one is boring try to make it more funny

this stopper is useless i never use it

its to stop a cheat

i dont get it what you mean can you explain?

red is not deep blue is deep

and black is the other guy

and that would be the chote

so basically is to force to take speed from the player instead of the dummy?

yes

not deep keeps hooking deeped guy which is on the top left stoppers

ok

in general try to improve the tight parts so the flow can be improved + the other things

$waiting

could you explain when your gameplay gets weird in these parts? so i can rework them for the situation

and these stoppers work just as cyberFighter said

i meant the parts are tight i cant flow well bcs of that

for this part, i have no idea to improve it. i think the gameplay is already smooth

i tested with my friends, still a lot of bugs, moved this into waiting please

$waiting

just make it with more space, that would make the part feel better

reduce laser_raech from 1500 to 800

the final version of unlimited jump part

Intended way

by extending this the part should ok

to me seems a lil bit messy

$waiting for changes that we talked on the sv

Sorry i have thought a lot but still cant understand what you mean to this part. If i change the location of gr part to the right, then the part on the top will also be changed, and if i change it then i have to change all of the previous parts. The other thing is: i still didnt get why this part gives a bad feeling to you. I posted a video before which doing this part and i think the timing is perfect, and there also have enough space to let the player moves. i would like to ask others who had tested this part and give the idea what you think. if this part is bad enough i would like to remake it.

for this part, the stoppers on the left is necessary imo, it will make player go down faster after they jump and could catch the timing easier

i have extended the platform on the left so no one could jump on the left when hooking dummy

here are all the changes and ideas I have made so far

i forgot this

is this what you mean?

in generally

that could work to

mine was a suggestion

at the end you have to figure

I actually prefer not to make the change for this part

and if change, then i will remake this part

change the color

The shield return

The shield fade away

fix design bugs; players can not use /spec now

fun map, i played through in 1h 30m 55s (cheated a little, so i didnt earn a rank)

Happy half anniversary, my matinal

has it really been that long?

when rls

a bit more space here plz

top guyd ont need hook here

this part hammer kinda tight ngl

idk

btw is speeder here needed

also whats with the troll grenade 0.5 lifetime

how do the first part of this part

we did stack +nade but its rly annoying

1 shoots you with sg and the other just rocket

bottom dude can technically solo this

idk why u have weird tunes for sg and nade, but dont use them

fix any cheats using some different way

I ll fix what louis said later

As you said, I used those tunes to prevent cheating. The grenade tunes prevent double grenade in somewhere, and the shotgun tunes prevent laser which bounced from an unexpected direction. Anyway, I delete those commands.

and this part just like arrow said

gameplay of the second part is worse than previous one, I need to think about it again.

I personally feel much better

what does lower player do

on the 2nd part

you mean this part?

fix cheats and some unexpected skips

the 1 part that keeps getting changed

xd

what is this one for

to prevent someone get in to tele with holding space (jump).

same situation in tele 44

and this isnt a corner bug

design bug fixed

maybe i need to make an animation hint for the umlimited jump part?

added some animation hints

And I plan to make a new animation for the logo

new animation for the logo

details update

waiting for pipou to test this map

so..

So what ? There are many maps to test, you can help as well

minor change

That map has some good parts but it's definitely not moderate

It's quite unbalanced

And you often have to wait and do nothing

It's too small

The choice of colors is very questionable all over the map, especially for symbols

Pink on purple is very hard to see

The trees in the back are too sharp and the clouds clash with the rounded smooth overall design

Too many things are displayed which distracts players

Keep it simple, it's obvious that the dummy has to go there

TOO MANY blockers, there are blockers everywhere for no reason

That kind of blockers is very annoying

Too keep sliding everywhere

Or you get stuck

That doesn't make me think of "infinite jump off" tile

So many hidden stuffs

Missing game tile and more hidden stuff

This is painful to watch, make it less bright and/or use less of those bars

Air vents shouldn't be cut in half

There is tp in the blockers, make it easier to see and more consistent

So, you need to make your map clearer, with less entities

Once again, there is a useless blocker on the left of VéNa

And the bottom hook is just weird, why a such setup

🔸 I can see that you were very involved in that map, there are nice parts and ideas, but :

🔹 Your map is not moderate but brutal. 🔹 Too many design problems (game design and graphics) 🔹 The map is unbalanced (too much waiting) 🔹 Trying to make an advanced design is not easy and that was a good try, but there are too many problems 🔹 You use too many entities for nothing (example below)

Why wouldn't you use hook through instead of blockers + void + tele + hook through

That's just an example of what I meant earlier

Make your map cleaner, the parts design and the graphics design

$waiting

Thank you for testing, I will try to change the design style completely

👍

Try to make it clearer

You can make a prototype and ask before doing a full redesign, not to waste time if there are things to change

got it

how many stars if brutal

how about this

Looks good to me, need to see it as a whole

Okay, I'll finish them all

This is no longer matinal, I want to rename it "Distance"

$change name Distance

thanks

Completely rework

move some effects into HD

Alright, I'll test it today

bug fixed

bug fixed *2

bug fixed *3

Reduce file size

reduce again

fixed design bugs

fixed design bugs *2

add secret

optimized the unlimited jump icon

Both icons now have the same transparency

Personally, I think this version is stable enough to test

that sign doesnt look like infinite jump, actually looks like a enter to a solo and jump refill

you can cut the infinite jump from here

Ok I will try

as you wish

i should really try making my own entities signs things someday

oh I`m sorry

what

I just did what tester wanted me to do

ohh hey dont worry about it!

yours is perfectly fine!!!

should have specified it would be for my own thing, not yours

ok you are the best

also id change the zoom para for the bg elements, they're kind of weird when zoomed out this far

Is there any way to avoid this?

I noticed it before, but I couldn't fix it

oh wait

i guess i find the way

that should work

Maybe I don't need clipping

no clipping version

fixed design bug

fixed design bug *2

fixed cheat and design

fixed gameplay bugs and design bugs

test when 🥲

payment when

Is it like that for everyone???

No, actually people have to wait way longer. Be patient please :-)

It's been seven months. I'll try my best

I genuinely think this has to do with the map being 3p

I'm willing to help test it if you hop on a test server

Also, I think the future of testing is through video playthroughs, but that's just speculation

Thank you for your willingness to help me test my map, but my connection to the test server was very slow and ping was very very high.

all good, we testing with friends right now 🙂

ok cool!

i really liked your map idea and admire your perseverance on it—hope you get published!

thx for test!

Ill do my best!

I really enjoyed the map, though I do have some suggestions. The beginning parts all feel very well thought out and creative, though once you reach the weapon parts, things get much more complicated and harder to read. Certain parts become almost unreadable, and I feel that is mostly due to the lack of space you have given yourself. Everything is super compact, but in the case of this map, it almost feels claustrophobic. I understand that in order to be able to pull off certain parts all 3 tees have to be close to eachother. My advice: try and add variety to the "bigger" parts, and the "compact" parts. Specifically try and stagger the parts that have "symbol overload"

All that being said, I think the map is great 🙂

this is what I mean by symbol overload

petition to add "colored gates" so that mappers don't have to draw lines to show which switch opens which gate

good idea, lets give it a try!

Ralgo and I just beat the map. Very fun, I think it's around 4 star moderate (or 3 star, but kinda long) We didn't find any major issues.

its 2p dragging a deep

what I meant was that it takes more than just one tester to test it

most maps you can do with just you and your dummy

In fact, a lot of people used to think that my map space was too narrow. I've changed it over and over again, but every time someone else thinks it's the same. Yesterday I thought about how to expand the space without changing the gameplay, because I want to retain the current gameplay. Unfortunately I didn't come up with it, so I don't want to change the game space question for a while.

👍

, that map needs testing

fixed design bugs