#frost
"Frost" by Miod [Solo]
DDNet 03/18/2020 9:46 PM
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louis 03/18/2020 9:48 PM

hi

louis 03/18/2020 9:48 PM

miod is old player friend that recently got back, doesn't have discord so she asked me to post this

plsplsplslol 03/18/2020 9:49 PM

yeah its me

louis 03/18/2020 9:49 PM

U

plsplsplslol 03/18/2020 9:49 PM

exactly

louis 03/18/2020 9:49 PM

its a pretty short map so

Cøke 03/18/2020 9:51 PM

check this map

@louis
Cøke 03/18/2020 9:52 PM

some unused mapres

louis 03/18/2020 9:55 PM
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louis 03/19/2020 4:57 AM
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louis 03/19/2020 3:06 PM
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louis 03/19/2020 3:06 PM

design

louis 03/19/2020 3:12 PM
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jao 03/19/2020 3:15 PM

$decline

jao 03/19/2020 3:15 PM

too short and boring

jao 03/19/2020 3:15 PM

also id prefer if your friend posts her maps herself

louis 03/19/2020 3:23 PM

too short and boring

louis 03/19/2020 3:23 PM
louis 03/19/2020 3:23 PM
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louis 03/19/2020 3:24 PM
louis 03/19/2020 3:24 PM
louis 03/19/2020 3:24 PM
louis 03/19/2020 3:24 PM

the map is longer than all of these, and i'd argue is more interesting than most of these

louis 03/19/2020 3:24 PM

i mean, look at deadrun, lmao

louis 03/19/2020 3:25 PM

and most of these maps are older, but even newer stop overs take the same time

Boci 03/19/2020 3:25 PM

mazepack not boring

louis 03/19/2020 3:26 PM

what

Boci 03/19/2020 3:26 PM

yours is kinda boring xd

louis 03/19/2020 3:26 PM

it's literally just jetpack

texnonik 03/19/2020 3:26 PM
@louis

its old

texnonik 03/19/2020 3:26 PM

thats why

Boci 03/19/2020 3:26 PM

obviously i havent played your map, but it looks quite uninteresting and short just from looks

texnonik 03/19/2020 3:26 PM

standarts was different then now

louis 03/19/2020 3:27 PM

and most of these maps are older, but even newer stop overs take the same time

louis 03/19/2020 3:27 PM

and stop overs are just shotgun

louis 03/19/2020 3:27 PM
@Boci

well obviously if you haven't played this map then how would you even know

jao 03/19/2020 3:29 PM

stop over got lucky because the we didnt really notice that it got shorter over time

jao 03/19/2020 3:29 PM

the other maps are unrelated

louis 03/19/2020 3:31 PM

lol, what about blackbears?

louis 03/19/2020 3:31 PM

blackbear3 is literally an 8 second r1

jao 03/19/2020 3:31 PM

blackbears are old

jao 03/19/2020 3:31 PM

not relevant to current standards

louis 03/19/2020 3:32 PM

so over time we need maps to be longer?

louis 03/19/2020 3:32 PM

that sounds kind of obscure

jao 03/19/2020 3:32 PM

yes we decided to not release super short maps because thats encouraging mappers to not put effort into their maps

jao 03/19/2020 3:32 PM

and could result in a lot very short maps

louis 03/19/2020 3:35 PM

that's not always the case, just because something is long does not mean it had more effort put into it

louis 03/19/2020 3:35 PM

there could be a lot of thought put into short parts

jao 03/19/2020 3:35 PM

this map is a perfect example for the low effort argument; its not only short but also reusing parts to artificially increase length

louis 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

lol, that's kind of the whole point of the map, is to go backwards

louis 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

it's not the exact same part

jao 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

your argument isnt relevant to why short maps make people not put effort into short maps

louis 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

its not only short but also reusing parts to artificially increase length

louis 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

this is very untrue

jao 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

its not the exact parts but its a cheap way of increasing map length

louis 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

if someone wanted to increase length they could just add filler

louis 03/19/2020 3:36 PM

it reuses parts to make it more compact that was kinda the point

louis 03/19/2020 3:37 PM

filler is literally the best way to increase length

louis 03/19/2020 3:37 PM

if people want maps to be long they just add filler

jao 03/19/2020 3:37 PM

or they make people go back to start

louis 03/19/2020 3:39 PM

lul what

louis 03/19/2020 3:39 PM

there's actual parts in between tho

jao 03/19/2020 3:39 PM

that gives you more content than adding new fillers

louis 03/19/2020 3:40 PM

i really dont understand

louis 03/19/2020 3:40 PM

the parts that go back to start are legit

jao 03/19/2020 3:41 PM

but not good

louis 03/19/2020 3:41 PM

they're fine..

jao 03/19/2020 3:42 PM

they are jumping on edges or falling through unfreezes

jao 03/19/2020 3:42 PM

in such a short map you really dont want such lame parts

louis 03/19/2020 3:42 PM

if that is changed will it be fine?

louis 03/19/2020 3:43 PM

or is it still too "low-effort"

jao 03/19/2020 3:43 PM

no point in trying to rework this map

jao 03/19/2020 3:43 PM

guess its her first map

louis 03/19/2020 3:43 PM

ye

louis 03/19/2020 3:44 PM

ok thx i guess then

jao 03/19/2020 3:44 PM

better work on gameplay ideas and start a new decent map

plsplsplslol 03/19/2020 6:49 PM

ye mb for making short map

louis 03/19/2020 6:58 PM

wut

Ravie 03/19/2020 9:32 PM

cool map, not too short at all

Ravie 03/19/2020 9:32 PM

and not boring either