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That’s what happens if you try to map with mechanics in reverse.

reverse decline?

the speeder bug is because i use the old speed tiles? also i can't find the 2nd speedup i think i only used one, maybe im blind

The bot sees a tile that i don't see help

Probably.

Can try to delete the layer and then add the speedup again if it’s just one tile.

the bug scans for old speeders now? it's a bit early?

i mean the thing shouldn't matter.. i can remove one of the speeders but i would like to keep the other

I thought it scans for the new ones to be honest. xD

I used the old speeders.

How do i even fix this

You can ignore it but I’m more curious about the ghost tile.

I did what you told me to do.. i can dm patiga about it to not spam the channel ig

actually...

the bot found a ghost tile in this version. my cursor is not visible, but on the top right you see the coordinates 7, 305 where the bot sees a speeder but i don't. also it seems like the bot is complaining about the old speeder tile but it should only matter with max speed speeders? and the new version is not published afaik so how am i supposed to use the new speeders (i mean i could download a release candidate but imo it's too early to change the bot)

Also i might have missed an update, there is no update button in the client? Okay kinda off topic. However i am manually upgrading now to fix the thing the bot mentions. Imo the bot should only mention max speed speeders (afaik only those are changed)

The new speeders were included in the 19.1 update

But where is my upgrade to 19.1 button

Probably a broken client :p - sometimes the auto updater is broken

fixed the bot issues

enilceD$

OMFG

pls relese

i want to test this shi pls

Do it?

:3

Takes a moment to get on the test servers and I am not home to do it manually but you can try it on lan. 🙂

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Cool map i rly like the parts not ultra hard but also not ez, desing its also cool and cute.

i dont like this part

i feel like the ending its just not cool

but the rest of the map its funy

finish the map in about 30 mins i rlly enjoy almost all parts i dont like this part i dont find fun at all shooting the dummy just my opinion

and in this parts idk if i did it correct but i think a wall there would make the part better

good map the drags are 100x times better than drag master

i rlly enjoy ur dummy map ❤️

very cool map. imo could be released as it is now (but i didnt check for design bugs)

Thanks for all the feedback!

That part is a bit controversial it seems, would be hard for me to find a replacement part that fits there i guess, but i will think about it..

My way to do the part is a direct shot, did you do a wallshot on the 1x1 wall tile?

yeah

no actually i shoot the tps and the sg bounce XD likke this

I genuinely was so confused the first few seconds on why shotgun didn't push me Amazing map though, enjoyed it

I get you, the anti push shotgun tune can be confusing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/395371061035925514/811553718847668234/808830246513147904.gif

for some reason at this part i couldnt figure out u had to sg him down (maybe brain usse) can u pls put an arrow hinting that u have to sg him down

and i find this long sg shot reall just annoying + the catch

other than that the map is very fun

(maybe even your best map

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amazing map, so glad he spelled out the rcon password in hieroglyphics

reverse push? So like push shotgun but reversed.. so like.. normal shotgun?

The new speedups also differ to old speedups without max_speed set. They take the valramp effect into account that slows you down, and make sure that you don't slow down as an effect of the speedup. This was the reasoning of discouraging the use of the old speedups once the new speedups are in. This effect won't be observable in most cases where you use weak speedups, as you won't be fast enough

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Alright thank you 😮

Broken map. 🥲 Played it with Welf and also found some optimizations. Details with the changelog. :)

(changelog in the next message)

First the big changes:

• fixed a bug where you could keep hammer (spawning at the same time as your dummy would skip the hammer off tile)
• i tried to make part 21 more intuitive
• reworked part 24 i hope it's better now (old way still works)
• the last part is slightly harder and you can do an extra shot into finish now Also many small fixes such as:
• added some pullers so you can't shotgun fly skip at tp 23
• changed some hookthrough tiles into hookables at tp 37 to avoid a boring alternative way
• tried to fix the no shotgun strat at 41 by making it slightly tighter (normal way still works fine)
• slightly simplified the transition from the prelast part to the last part
• deleted the to teles in the middle of three and moved one to tele 36 slightly for a better setup
• fixed tiny graphical bugs like corners, wrong markings or missing markings

chlorine pool ahhh map

10/10

I don't think thats drinkable, 0/10

There was a bug with one of the 18.x versions with the update button missing

Yes.. i didnt notice that bug

map looks pretty much ready to me, the only thing that currently bugs me are the 3 arrows on this part - you can just throw him up on the right side against the stopper, shotgun him once and thats it

3 arrows feels weird

i also didnt really get this part - you can just chill and shotgun him out of the pit and drag him up - is there an actual mechanic thats supposed to be involved?

or maybe just change the arrows direction so they're not vertically :p

why is this not called Pull ur Dummy as a word play on your other map

and then u can use a similar logo as the other and do something cool with "sh" being replaced by "ll"

That?

I think it could be made a little harder.

they are supposed to indicate the shotgun shot, because some players had trouble understanding the part, but the arrows are not important to me i can remove them

funny idea but i don't have the logo creating skills tho, also the map has a different style than push your dummy (at first i planned it to be more similar, the first parts are indicating that, but then i found cooler parts that didn't fit to what i wanted to create haha)

please wait with the 2nd ready there are still people giving me feedback and i am a bit busy this weekend 🙏

Yeah, maybe enforce that you need DJ or something so you can't just skip it

ill wait for Pull ur Dummy then

please remove all arrows, they do nothing but confuse and prevent fun of discovering part yourself, also what even is this

I do not see how the arrows could be confusing. And please state your issue with the part shown. People can have different interpretations of ‘what even is this’.

not especially this part but those arrows in front of tele, showing the path, imo this doesn't make any sense

in entities you don't see the difference between the "good" and the "bad" teleporters, that's why they indicate where to go. i started using arrows to indicate shotgun shots at some parts, because the players wouldn't understand what to do (i don't want them to ragequit early because they struggle to understand a part). the map is quite long and less experienced players should have an easier time with some help.

I consider this map on the easier side (thats why i suggested 2 - tho mechanically it could be 3, depending on how proficient one is with shotgun) - so i find the arrows to be a helpful little extra for newer players. I wouldn't remove them personally.

i dont think new players play 2* dummy maps, new players should play novice 1-5

its same rating like solo

i would just add the missing freezes behind the arrows and its fine, if the mapper want to give instruction about his map, why not

played the map again. once again nice map)

i dont see anything critical what should be changed. only tele 24 was still annoying for me, but i dont see how it could be changed in a good way without breaking the idea of this part and its not big deal anyway

Optimized:

I dont know what this map is but the underscore in the channel name seems really cool, 8/10

When double reverse push?

has nothing to do with the map at all but thanks Welf for returning time and time again to the ddnet community just to drop cool maps on us 🙂 u are appreciated (or i guess he never left idfk)

Map seemed good when I played it

i- ehm..

don't u wanna fix it xD?

reset?

i dont but i wanted to move the unfreezes as you asked me to do

i guess? i will work on uploading the fixes asap

pls fix omg

• reworked tp 24 again, the easy way is slightly harder now and the speedrun way should also be harder (catseyenebulous)
• moved the unfreeze line 1 to the left at tp 37 (J$ON)
• removed the alternative strat at tp 39 (still possible but much more annoying) (melon) and fixed an issue with the puller (catseyenebulous)
• reworked the ending for smoother speedrunning (catseyenebulous)
• minor graphic changes like missing design/entities

• reworked tp 24 again, the easy way is slightly harder now and the speedrun way should also be harder (catseyenebulous)
• moved the unfreeze line 1 to the left at tp 37 (J$ON)
• removed the alternative strat at tp 39 (still possible but much more annoying) (melon) and fixed an issue with the puller (catseyenebulous)
• reworked the ending for smoother speedrunning (catseyenebulous)
• minor graphic changes like missing design/entities

on this map upload the bot didn't update it (or maybe it's just slow?) i tried to reproduce that in the message above (map + changelog text) but couldn't reproduce the issue. also uploading again worked...

(the major changes)

Maybe it's pulling latest master or rebuilding or something. I was updating twmap today in order to detect ghost speedups like yours @Welf 🙂 btw thank you for making me aware of this issue. The bot was right with the detections

you are also not on latest, the new doors might look even better with that map 👍

i see

Cool map, the update polished it a bit and took care of the controversial tp24 part I think. :)

Optimized:

your map has just been released, and you now have a 2-week grace period to identify and resolve any unnoticed bugs or skips. After these two weeks, only design and quality of life (QoL) fixes will be allowed, provided they don't impact the leaderboard rankings. Be aware that significant gameplay changes may impact and lead to the removal of ranks. Good luck with your map!

when release

cool map👍

when release

how do i get past first part

this isnt reverse push

this is normal shotgu

😭

Its reverse push stop spreading misinformation

how does reverse push work then

Like push, but in reverse.

normal shotgun reverse is push shotgun, push shotgun reversed is normal shotgun so its like just normal shotgun

Its reverse push shotgun

Yes it took me 30s to understand that this map is normal without custom mechanics

when release

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/420565311863914496/1365659925576941568

april 1st 2028

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