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do it again, bot is online again

J'ai quoi a changer du coup ? 🥲

J'ai pas vue tout ton live et vue ;')

ah c'est bon j'ai la redif

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C'est fini on a respecter les modifications que tu avais demander si il reste des choses a modifier hésite pas a nous prévenir

Use English in testing channels

pipou tell me how to edit my map and i do what he tell me to do so now the map is completely done

the little gaps in the "style stones" look not good imo. i would just edit the image and delete the gaps

(u can skip stoppers,blue tele and kills)

this is too easy cheat imo

why some have corners but some not, is that what interesting differentiation?

i can see u closed some spots outside the map, maybe just close the map xd

just close it with unhooks

unoslo not marked

u used one time in the whole map chains as unhook, would just set unhook there xd it can be confusing

set chains and stars to HD

noobfilter is bad imo

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ok i will change thart

that*

what do you need there ?

same

look ingame

often there are kills

oh ok

check again the map and all my messeges

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i already saw

what is missing ?

u will see if u check again

i dont want to post all again :d

i don't understand i checked and everything change ? i gonna check all again but i thinks it's okay

ok wait

in this screen what is the red cube in the right side ?

its not ok i found some more things by just a quick look on it

its kill, u will notice if u fix all the screens carefully

Yes

ok

im sry

i gonna change this

ok now it's okay

i changed the noobfiltrer now it's ok

i edit some skip part

pls ?

Testers ?

There are a lot of maps for the release, so I don't think that the testers will work a lot on the maps now, only if they want to, then they will test

So they don't test in order of apparition ? They just test the maps they feel like testing ?

I can say for myself that the map is very similar to back in time 2 and sus'terism, but this copy is unsuccessful in my opinion, there are some good parts here, but if you compare it with Bit2 or sus'terism, you yourself understand what is better

Yes

It's the first time I ever try myself to mapping, and if the map is lower than another map in term of quality, does that mean it shouldn't be tested ?

No, there are many bad maps and they are tested as well as all the maps that exist.

but if your map is really worthy and there is little to fix on it, then they will work on it to release it faster

testers are not paid for their work, they do it for their own pleasure

And do you know if there's a difference between the first day we posted it and now ? Cause as I remember the day we posted the map Coke reviewed it in integrality and gave us a whole feedback on what must be changed and what was good but now it's been like several weeks and we are still wondering if we haven't been forgetten

Ok thanks for the information

some maps are easier/shorter/more fun to test

globally we (as in ddnet staff) try our best to make it as fair as possible for everyone but in the end we are never going to enforce specific processes such as testing queue, because it would just end up restricting testers and making it even slower overall

Just wait, don't push the testers, they will find time to look at your map, but it takes time, some maps are tested 1 year, you need patience

testers dont owe anything to mappers and honestly its really intrusive to start blaming them for 'not testing in order', theyre investing their own free time to contribute and allow players to play proper maps (also helping mappers improving their maps)

its not likz your Map has been completely excluded for months, just look at the maps below we have like 50 ready maps.. even if it was ready'd tomorrow it wont be released until 1+ month

I didn't blame them, it was just a question / statement Also I just asked the question cause in my head it was fairer to test the maps in order of posting and not in order of preference I thought my question would be legitimate and not seen as a blame of the testers

My apologizes

this gores is bad for t0. I'd add more hookable blocks

also you could remove most of the killtiles as they do not add much beyond nervousness to the player

there are 4 skip I found:

move 1~2 block down to make the noobfilter more comfortable

this killtile is rlly annoying

need 1 more teleport imo

u need to stay at there to prepare hf but its only 2 tiles, so you need to make more space

you can skip these if you go down and hf

there are some easy parts compare with other parts

there are some narrow points

unfriendly for t0

the throw to the edge is okay

like it's a little skip and better for speed run

modif pas le throw edge de la vidéo

J'en avais pas l'intention

ok

C'est pipou il a dit de faire sa alors on laisse

2 gores part are change and skipable part change

making this so far in the map deadfaily is just annoying, u should make it saveable or change the way u to go down (u could make the way down soloable)

this swing feels just like a big bait. u cant jump but do instant swing after moving down is always fail. i know u have to rehook the block to get higher but most of ppl in t0 will just fail the swing when walking down

rest of map seems like a cool t0 map

i changed this part

ty

I kinda dislike this a bit because its not always 100%

this felt very punishing for no reason

also this faily in comparison to other parts

just fillers for 1/4 of map

a teleporter there would be nice or make the jump easier, kinda annoying to do over and over again

imo, this map has waaaay too many fillers and when it has parts they are very unbalanced and often too punishing I don't see any reason for this being accepted because it just feels like another t0 hh

also smol corner

this part is also horrific for t0

Imagine the testing lead tell us do do like that 💀

Every other part gonna change in this week btw

I mean the part in your screen

?

I remember I told you and showed you how to improve your map's structure overall

I also told you that your parts weren't good enough

I provided you with examples to get better fillers because they were the same thing over and over again

Most maps are built like that : part, filler, part, filler

And there is nothing wrong with it

Right now, as Steinchen said, it's mostly made of fillers

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1147560411055542282/1147561046924611795

"t0-HH maps mustn’t only be made of fillers, they should have real parts."

We just build what we told us how to do it’s all i said

Where's the problem at ?

You just pointed it out yourself, the map is 40% fillers. Try to reduce that as much as possible to make the map feel more interesting and unique. :)

The filler are indeed big, but there are separated by 2 parts instead of 1 as told in the rules

• most of the fillers are differents from one to another to make it unique even when it's not a "part"

Generic looking fillers, that just break the flow.

And as you say the map is 40% fillers where the rules tell us that it should be 50% (respecting the patern given [part / filler / part / filler / ...] )

So isn't it a good thing ?

What's the "generic" look ?

I was counting based on what you considered as fillers, I would personally count some of your mentioned "parts" as fillers. There is nothing unique about it, you see them overused everywhere. They serve no purpose other than slowing the player down, try to avoid them.

So like the "generic look" is basically overseen and used parts ?

Parts, that contain no uniqueness to them and are very overused.

Ok ok, I get it now

Thanks for your help and for your advices 🙏🏼

Map looks like it want to be stronghold

But not well made

Does it have to do with the images used (generic_metal) ?

Or is it really due to the recurrent parts

Personally, not at all I mostly just play with entities

Correct

Back in Time more

Cause I think we used 1 - 3 part(s) of Stronghold to help us design new parts but Pipou allowed us to get inspiration from his parts and helped us to change them so it doesn't look too "Stronghold"

But we will try to change that

Thanks again to you for your feedbacks, we will do our best to make it look better 🙏🏼

Talked with mappers.

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Design edited Part edited

noobfilter still bad 2 boring hooks xD just make something interesting and harder maybe

Having played this map, I can tell you one thing that spoils the gameplay very much, you don't have smooth transitions from hh to a part, you just use a platform after hh from which you need to throw a person to start doing a part, it's very annoying and very boring. I will post examples below

The whole map consists of this

There are some parts without this and they are very similar and there is nothing new and interesting in them, for example

in this part you need only hook tee to get the part cmon

There is nothing interesting here just to hit twice

miss cps

You made the part more difficult just by putting kill, I don't see the point in this, continue it, there are a lot of options how to do it to make it more interesting at times

no space for t0

Bad decision to put killtoe in the middle of the map, also the part is not interesting in general, there is nothing new in it that is not in other maps.

veryyyyy big solo part

its really harder than the rest of map (bad idea to put it on end)

you forgot

It seems like a simple part and if you look at it, you can see something like this.

you can do something simple but new and interesting, or improve something boring and old like making some interesting transition or something else some other way of doing it.

Ok

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u fix 50% from the above.

For now, I will say that the map 40/60 is not t0, t0 40% is not t0 60%

make in all map places so that t0 could save a person

very hard compare to the rest of map

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1131276457222619207/1153381491053711400

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1131276457222619207/1153381029567017041

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1131276457222619207/1153382096002371715

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1131276457222619207/1153381739616546856

I thinks not everything need to be change ?

Thats true i gonna fix it ty

I thinks Its depend for player but i’ll change it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1131276457222619207/1153381029369893025/screenshot_2023-09-18_20-02-42.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1131276457222619207/1153381739293589535/screenshot_2023-09-18_20-12-22.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1131276457222619207/1153381490860765224/screenshot_2023-09-18_20-10-09.png

This

The solo part inst long imo it’s just a swing and à little gores part

But ok i gonna try to find something

This one is okay ? No? What is bad

Killtap

You know how to do the part like you can double jump fast and hold Space to pass that but ok i gonna fix this

I mean not fast but dj and hold space

But ok i will fix this

I know but its random

How is it random?

It depends on your jump height

Random?

It's just bad to put a killtap in the middle of the map, especially when the map is in the range of 3-4 stars

It’s not but ok

It's just bad to put a killtap in the middle of the map, especially when the map is in the range of 3-4 stars

nothing failly on this 2tap, just have too know that you have to hold w (good player jump with w) and it's perfect too kill the bad player of t0 if they rush in it in a dumb way

the kill tile is fine

are you sure? then why did pipou, when testing my map, say that it is bad to put a killtap in the middle of the map? I say this not only because I think so.

was it a 2tap ? no idea why he said that, maybe a different situation. but 2tap is not a problem if you dont spam it, or map it is a weird way.

Ok i let this one

the height of the toetap is also really easy can edge on it with no problem

Your thoughts ?

(Just fixed some design issues, the map is still the same to test)

don't download this, some part gonna change

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Currently for me this map remains the same as it was, I didn't see any progression in gameplay or design, if you look at the very first version and now you can see minor changes in parts or new parts that have the same problems. I would like to see something interesting when you release a new version of the map but so far in these months of testing I see nothing. Therefore, I would advise you to spend more time, read all the new rules and create a map that will follow all these rules. Currently, I can say that it is declining, although I am not a tester, but there are a lot of bugs and non-compliance with the rules. Good luck!

ok

What should we change now then ? We tried to remove as much fillers as possible to make room for even more parts We also changed most of the parts to change that "throw me then I do the part" type part to a more interesting kind of part that allows the 2 players to play at the same time, this way we made things more interesting and changing for the two players at the same time We also cut some parts that you testers found annoying and uninteresting to play As far as I remember we tried to follow everything that has been told to us in this channel to improve the map and make it the way y'all want it to be And despite of all the advices that you gave to us you're saying that the map is unchanged and is still the same as when we first posted it Trust me we would be more than happy to have things to work on as we did everything you told us and now all we get is "There are a lot of bugs and non-compliance with the rules" ; I mean I know the map is bad but I would like to know why ? I would like to know what truly has to be changed and not some details that will make a part better but not the map overall If I had to sum it up with only one question, I would ask you what you would change in the map, if it was yours, to make it more entertaining for t0 players and better in testers' eyes ? (Except the fact that we should add more "interesting and unseen parts")

Also thanks for your return, again

you play with entity but the design change a lot

It doesn't depend on me, so I gave instructions on what to do, but it also depends on the mapper, how he will do it, how much time he will spend on it. I just said what is bad and what needs to be changed, you don't need to judge me, if you did all this and you got good parts, then I wouldn't write this text above

Alright, we will work even more on what has already been changed Hopefully it will be good enough for you Thanks again (:

And yes read

first

I will, thanks

talk with mapper

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State what you are changing when uploading map

change some spike spot and design bug

$optimize

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Map filename must match channel name.

$ready 4

sry but some bug design was patch

$ready 4

First ready set. It needs to be tested again by a different tester before fully evaluated.

$ready 4

oh I am not official tester

people can easily make a boat and skip the part

• Fixed all design issues
• Fixed the boat problem mentioned by n0va

$ready 4

The map is now ready to be released!

You cannot ready the map again. It needs to be tested again by a different tester.

oh this system suck

bruhhh

cuz you tell me to ping you right there

last version +

is it possible to make map in ready section in 1 ready if the map was ready before, or if a map is ready and mapper post another version, it doesn't move from ready section.

wait what happend here

map was ready b4 bot was ready

Before you ready'ed the map, was the map in waiting?

no it was ready

I'll add some debug commands I guess

if a map is ready and mapper post another version, it doesn't move from ready section. Could you elaborate on this?

i mean, the map was in "evaluated maps" group and when he post the new version, the bot move is back into "map testing" group, maybe it shouldn't move if it's ready for rls

Oh, I see. No, that's actually intended. Else someone could just upload a different map without us knowing

posting new versions shouldnt reset the status, only a tester writing $reset should do that

(i think)

but its true that if we don't reset status, testers might miss new versions and then we risk releasing bugged maps

Let me PR all the fixes I cooked up real quick so that doesn't happen again

(I hope)

$ready

The map is now ready to be released!

ty

wrong

+left freeze

freeze corners

wtj

freeze corner

what is this :/

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reads-chat-cat-eating-cat-stare-stare-cat-cat-looking-gif-18206828986708283356

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-orange-cat-orange-cats-cat-weird-gif-17010424884748616697

bruhhh everything was good

different corner used

corner issues

there is no spike here

no?

i have the map and everything is good

maybe you have the old version

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/1131276457222619207/1205396453535518772

where is this part

i don't remember

first half

I reloaded but its still issues

as far as i know it reloades incorrectly when map is ready

may be wrong

it's fine it's a easter egg

sus

I downloaded this but still issues

not everything

i'll change this

Can u tell me where did you take that screen

+

did you intend for this tower skip in 4+ teams?

start of the map

yes it's confusing

Where is that screen ?

Old version

great version i change everything

pls

$ready 4

First ready set. It needs to be tested again by a different tester before fully evaluated.

Eh

💀

I can't today, but need a last check, stop making new design Bug pls

kk

but when fix bugs ?

maybe u posted old version

idk

nvm

just check the corner once again by yourself, there are so many corner bugs

$ready

The map is now ready to be released!

corner

where

true

nvm that one , strange rule

• Fixed everything that has been told

$ready 4

The map is now ready to be released!

20 th time it has been release

Next time it's decline

Ouin ouin 😔🫰

sry but idk if you change this new version

$reset

Unluckily there are still some major issues with the map before this can get released. Imo map is pretty fun to play but way to unbalanced and in some points unfair, which needs to be a bit more cohesive

So its up to you if you will make it consitent hard or bring it down a bit difficulty-wise.

but let me point out what i mean exactly:

you may disagree with some stuff ig, but its up to you what you do with it. but a difficulty adjustment is needed

$waiting

sooo no luxis release today as planned?

Dude the map will be post today why u review rn

😢

well this is ok

i mean no need to be change

the color of the tp will be change and the last part of this solo (in the yellow box too)

for a Brutal 4 this hammer is not hard but that can be change if you want

i'll change this

same

That's a brutal 4 it's not hard fr, like it's just a hook and go right it's easy asf imo

sry tho :/

you need to compare everything, i pointed out what is compared to easier parts to hard, and easy stuff that is for others easy

i'll change all easy part

but imo this one is rly easy

lets meet up in game when everything is done

is this the opinion of majority of the testers? i think its pretty weird for a map to have been ready'ed for so long just to be put back into waiting hours before release

yup

everything was good but all new tester want to give their opinion rn

nah im not new^^

yes it is

oh sry I thought

still waiting for bot to fix role ._.

It's not giving opinion but stating obvious problems with map

i can place tp ? or it will be too different ?

would be to different ig, but up to u

structure-wise

• Everything has been fixed, should be the final version now

• Added a "turn off entities" text

I just feel like the solo just does not fit the theme of the map at all and feels compeltely out of place

The rest of map was kind of fine, now just feels even more generic with some of these changes made last sec

there is some changes at the last sec cuz a lot of tester decided to review the map the day of the upload

this channel is here since 1 year 🙃

did u test the map 1 week ago? you would see that nothing drastically changed except for adding some tiles or deleting some. stuff u blame here is made by mapper 🙂

better than uploading buggy map

Lol how can you say that nothing drastically changed when the whole first part is different?

Its boring now

Generic

At least had to think at the previous one and not play with brain off

maps always gettin reviewed again day before or the day where the upload will happen. to prevent uploads like it would happened here

read my message again

Everything was good like 1 week ago

But that's ok dude

nah

i'll change what u didn't like

it wasn't good, proof is testing made by texnonik, nova and savalic

You dont have to change what u dont want to

you can't deny that

guys come on... put your facts together in the right way.

you changed not what i didnt like, you changed what was unbalanced or unfair or just not well mapped

huge difference

6 different people come in here all with different opinipns and the mapper feels like he needs to please everyone making the map generic

at the last time this is what I blame

yea lets not test maps

who need dat

sus terism is unbalanced at some part*

fixed

can you release this now

we need a map to play

can you release this now we need a map to play

mostly design bugs, but also some missing gametiles.

fix them all, map should be rdy to go afterwards.

next time i will just say "check map"

tbh i dont really get why you changed the solo part. i think Ryu's opinion was against a solo part in the map at all - the part was fine as it was before, just not fitting the map structure. but current solo is fine aswell

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Ok ty we will change that

I actually have a few questions to ask you

What version of the map are you using ? Cause this tile is fine in my version, with both game and tile layers

i used the version that is currently on testservers, so propably the one

uploaded 1:45am this night

This "CP" symbol is just to tell people that they'll respawn here if they take a TP, but we can sure add a CP and use cfrom tp here

remove it or do the same for totele 3

Okay

Last thing

This here is an "hidden" message left by Acrolol, it's actually a "funny meme". Told him more than once that it kinda sucks but he really want to keep it here, is it really bothering or can we leave it here ?

i rly couldnt read it probably, thats why i marked it

"Police I swear to god, not simping for a child"

idk, its fine ig

Okay, thanks for him

XD

Lol

https://youtu.be/Oea0FHX3dBc?si=8W8xIDOFGRUa1D45

from this

Just a meme ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

ye dont worry, is fine^^

• Removed all freeze / unhookable layers under other layers
• Fixed freeze corners all around the map
• Added some spikes for design purpose
• Fixed a skip in one part
• Placed the "CP" symbol that was missing in the solo part
• Fixed everything other than that that has been noticed by Savalic and told above

can you release this now we need a map to play

Play it on test server

if u want, i can delay it for 1 more week? or more

Should I double check or is it fine since you removed your message ?

wrong version was uploaded, im checkin rn

Okay

Unable to ready a map in

. Reset the map first, then try again.

$reset

$ready 4

First ready set. It needs to be tested again by a different tester before fully evaluated.

:D

ty bro

• Talked with Savalic in game, changed the last problems he mentioned

$ready 4

The map is now ready to be released!

double checked the map, all good to me

Just a few random freezes out of place in design like this one but it's w/e at this point

(rls today at 3pm)

wtf where

There is 5-6 of these

idk where did you find this and what is this ? missing time?

tile*

Nah it's a tile of freeze under the unhookable (only design)

Doesn't affect the gameplay or the design

But you can see it in 50% entities

That's why it doesn't really matter

ok i know what is this

• fix design but (it's not a lot i don't thinks u need to reset the map just for this)

$ready 4

The map is now ready to be released!

💤

your map has just been released, and you now have a 2-week grace period to identify and resolve any unnoticed bugs or skips. After these two weeks, only design and quality of life (QoL) fixes will be allowed, provided they don't impact the leaderboard rankings. Be aware that significant gameplay changes may impact and lead to the removal of ranks. Good luck with your map!

im uploading it now but servers with the map will need to wait for th eupdate

👍

New version doesn't change gameplay at all so it doesn't really matter

Magical Corner

ty i'll change this too

sometimes when respawning, you dont get solo'ed

Ok so, you used a whole mapre, only for 4 lamps in the whole map?

Yes, there is no reason too add that little box spawn

i know

ty all for review

• Corner bug fixed
• Add lamp
• Spawn bug fixed

didnt even noticed till now that u deleted a killtile

wasnt mentioned aswell^^

Which one ? 0:

unplayable, decline, delete, rollback,

just saw it while playing

xD

hmm nice eyes

• Corner fix

u used a whole tileset for just one background stone, i would use default generic (-120kb) or delete all except that one stone u used