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I think text, arrows and so on could be more fat or something like that so you can see it better

very tight parts, like for t0, also it's probably a 3-4 star brutal

start (3 first parts) feels like a brutal 2+-

thanks to killtitle you did that part insane but it doesn't work like that, overall bad and unbalanced part for t0 and overall

1 easy hook and you do the part

this also, 1 easy dummy drag and you do the part

random part

so far it looks unbalanced, on the one hand it's hh parts that work in t0 on the other hand it's tight and easy parts

what do you mean by "random part"?

doesn't always work

the first 3 parts are easier to avoid crowding tees at the beginning

tested the map, they is some idea, but clearly need many changes many part are not comfortable to play and the tight space is good for hh to create difficulty, but it's not well used most of the time. here is a first uncomfortable hook, and also, it come from a drag, drags are boring and overused, you should avoid putting drags part if it's not with an interesting utilization of the drag.

1- the part is basic and uninteresting, just hooking, then do the solo and do 2 hooks (btw i forgot to mentioned that the map is clearly not insane + i agree with nezox it's unbalanced in many parts) 2- you can change the part in so many way to avoid putting offhammer for 1 part

the shield is useless (going back with laser doesn't matter at all) and i will mention amny time your utilization of weapons and shield (the next screen)

giving a laser for 2 shots then a shield, it's not clean. if you do a good swing you can't laser the second one cause of the shouting delay. a solo for 2 laser only, is kinda short your way to use cp -> goes back in solo -> goes in tele is bad, you could just put a solo at spawn + unnecessary because if you touch unsolo you touch the other cp so you can't cheat anyway

in yellow - useless shield (only 1 of them should be good enough) again you gave laser to lose it in the next solo (1 laser in the solo, and between 2 and 4 laser for the part) red rectangle - this is the second time we have the same part (i'll mention because it's not only 2 time in the map) red arrow - can laser here and cheat the normal way + the normal way it unbalanced (the first laser is hard and first try for duo))

no indication to know who need to go down and up + mega short solo again + the unsolo is a bait i though it was unfreeze in it, you should put it higher or all the way down (little part on the right is good)

a mark for this type of part is way better + this part is annoying in t0

3rd time this part

randomly change the structure with those hookable (the structure overall is not bad) the swing / gore is not smooth, you have to dj at a weird timing, advise : when you map and test, always verify that a swing/gore or anything else is made for the good range (example: made to keep dj, or made to use it but then put more length to create a more comfortable and smooth part) i say that only here but it's the same for many parts, also take care of the tightness (here it's fine) it's important in hh map, where it's only low effort gameplay, giving a smoothness in everypart is good

here it's hard to explain : tight = good because it create difficulty BUT you have to create space and tightness in the part because the first one is an hammerrun (need space to do the hammerrun + space for t0 , but keep the celling here, second one i use a throw and it's kinda meh (maybe more space up, or put kill tile or platform in another way) and the last one is ok if you jump solo, but if you can't to do with hammer and it bump it will probably kill you (the space is not the problem on this one)

dont put deep if it's for 1 hook

i understand the first one (even if it could be more difficult or with something more interesting, you should develop more the parts) but then you fall down on another platform, you could do 1 unique fall, or start the next part from the platform above, sometime it feel like if it was randomly mapped

same here, develop the part, it's seen again and again in every hh map

another example of annoying stuff, that make the map uncomfortable after taking the laser you just want to run, but if you run you fall down, and if you dj you touch the freeze. it's some detail like that which do the difference between a good map and a bad map.

so again weapon problem. we had the laser and pass some fillers in duo (that doesn't even need laser) and now 1 tile for 1 laser, then shield

• you have to test more the parts, with a good swing you crash in the wall

this jump is kinda shit to do + 1 player do an harder solo than the others

yellow arrows (down), here you dont need to map tight yellow rectangle + arrow, dont need that much speed and space, you create too much difference in the space in the same part red rectangle, random useless unfreeze red arrow, test more your part, if you keep the hook it goes in the kill tile instant

already mentionned, boring drags, nothing interesting here

yellow arrow, not cool 😦 i feel like your deep are to short, or maybe not to short, but they is nothing done with it, just dragging to the undeep without difficulty or part

rly annoying part to restart after falling down dont look the yellow i dont remember why i put this on the screen

and now, from here it's mostly gore or hh, they is some little filler, but more than 1/4 of the map dont have real part or real filler

little fillers seen in 1000000 hh map, you rly need to develop more, and find ideas that continue with fillers like this

cheatable if you take speed on your mate

? it is a solo part

basic fillers, and not even failly or hard, develop more, put kill tiles or a hole here, even for brutal this is too easy

rly basic part, not interesting. maybe i'm a hater of your deep, but again it feel empty, no part, no difficulty, just dragging your mate for free point

... if you dont have dj, it's dead, even with instant hook at the highest hookable, and good press i die. test more your parts

good parts 😄

again a deep with nothing interesting + the dummy fall all the way down not fun.

shortest solo ever, 2 hook and gg, it's useless at this point

develop, 1 throw and nothing else, feel like you have a lack of ideas btw you are not obliged to create a long map, you could cut so many things

here i understand the idea, but too much repetition with only kill tile variation. and btw about kill tiles i'll explain your kill tiles problems in few screens

deep.

for kill tile, you need to create your structures of kille tiles, create a rule and respect it, because here it's just randomly place and ugly, example : start with a rules, they is many possibilities, 3 examples : 1- in an unhook/hook pit put a line of killtile 2- in every corner put 1 kill tile 3- on a surface put a line / put 1 kill tile every 2 tiles/3 tiles

colors are not good. here they is no difference between hookthrough and background

i'm not a good designer, but i saw many problems, like the logo it not in 1 image, you have many times the same group for the same image/tile like kill tiles. and the map is too heavy, 1000kb for generic hook is not normal.

they is too much problems for now, but i hope to see a next map or a full rework of this map. dont forgot to take time to map and test.

$decline

thanks for the feedback, we'll try to rework the map soon taking care of the points you mentioned.