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hopefully there's more patience this time

testing team hasnt changed since

We with

posted this map in July 2017, but the map wasn't release cuz have some troubles like design and some bad parts. Now we tried to make rework of parts and design. Some parts we left like they was before, and some was changed and added a couple new parts. We hope now the map is better and really waiting for your feedback!

we have changed

I became an Armenian, and Imperius became an Avatar or smurf

i think u guys messed up the mapper thing xd

it wont be displayed as 2 mappers

but just as "Imperius&egorfake"

we are the same person

$change mappers Imperius & egorfake

now i made it worse

ah yes my favorite mapper &

$change mappers Imperius egorfake

ahhh

now

at tp3 both can bottom if they take cp13 and b

speeder glitch bad 📉, but the bottom part of that solo is fun

some of these parts are pretty neat

cp 16 you can use the laser in the part as well instead of just to get nade

design can use some work

Thanks guys for the test -Fixed skip with cp13, added stopper when u came out from solo, now u can't reach cfrm -removed unfreeze at cp16 part(thanks for the idea

), now u need to use both guns And about the speeder glitch, yeah i agree the part is random, but we tried to minimize this random, and if trying to make full rework we don't know how

Lol, actually I tried to make a rework of this map months ago xD

Fixed some parts for more comfortable playing, and fixed some signs elements

can u change design to have more teeish clouds

no hook/hammer/whatever at spawn.. why not just make it solo then

and not require both to do solo at same time

idk its just seems a little complicated

add another cp here

id put cp 10 closer < on the block

do u want to put unfreeze on ground after jumps like that?

for better flow (its up to u)

cool map, hopefully ready and release soon

Do you mean that the current clouds are not suitable and should be replaced with clouds in a different, less realistic style?

like in game default clouds or something?

yes or ones from umbrella 1

I like these clouds

It will only be worse

i already fix everything but idk what about the clouds, some people like the new and some don't

So, first of all thanks

for the test and ur recommendations Fixes: -replaced no hook/no hammer/collision to the start line, now tees can do everything what they want before the start solo idea for the first part isn't good, because the main idea of ​​the first part is to play together, there is no need to do it perfectly together, and the part has two ways for start of playthrough(as i know) -for the second part added one more tp for more comfortable playing -cp 10 was replaced on one block left -added unfreeze on cp11 on both sides -we decided to leave the clouds as they are, but removed them from the old position and put them up to heaven -little fix main BG

there was an umbrella 1?

h

fair

+time cp

thx for the test

fixed everything

thx

for the test fixed 2 parts

great map! Couldnt find anything more than 2 small things. I would consider this map ready for release. 2 or even 3* brutal, as u have to figure out how to exactly do the parts. Not very faily on the other hand

some changes for more comfortable playing thx

for the test

Hi now i completed the whole map with

and i can see that the map has some flaws on balance, some parts are way "harder" than others

this whole section was really easy

if u compare with the beginning of the map

easy fly

this wall is really annoying delete 1 or 2 unhooks

you can cheat the part by flying to the hookable and then your partner jumps to the switch

the end is like a moderate part

really annoying to start all over again if u fail 1 hook

make this shorter

make the back faster, really boring jumping through the unhooks to get your partner if he fails on the left

sometimes when you do the swing here you hit the tele, so i had to jump early and release the hook.. well actually this is bcs you have to hook a specific point so this situation doesnt happend, but it would be cool if you close a zone where can work 100% of the times

maybe you could put unfreeze here so if u do the part wrong you can still do it

its possible to do it solo will be easier for pros, i think with 1 more tile of freeze is fixed

$waiting

I only agree that the second part is very simple and short, but the first part is a bit random, although I added a landmark, but still difficult because of the randomness, so I added stoppers to minimize this randomness and added more teleports, the second part I made it longer and a little harder

This part is simple, but I tried to make a simple filler to quickly move on to the next part, so I leave it as it is.

idk, this part is really easy, but i removed one block and i made two demos, that u will see that the part is easy in both ways. Little secret of this part is - hook ur mate twice.

fixed

for the first version i just wanted to place undeep somewhere and finish, but if needed of course i can make it harder, what about something like that? I removed endless jump and just add a line of freeze

i'm not sure that the part need to be fixed, cuz it looks normal, the only thing i fixed that unfreeze on the top

I can remove 1-3 blocks, but it won't change anything, if I remove more, part will be broken

added tp back

no, I just moved the left wall a little to the left, this will reduce the chance that you will crash into it, the part has two options for passing

added one more line of freeze, and the door replaced to the left on one block

thx

and

for testing

I mean to the player that is dragged not for the that one

Now imo seems annoying

The freeze I mean

I mean you could change cp positions and that would fix a lot

Mmm Then make it faster somehow like ht for example idk

Ok

the old version for the drag tee was okay, but anyway i already removed one block and it works good too

if i replace cp, u can fail like that

added unfreeze, now ur mate can jump after hit

but the speeder if even necessary? you can hook him form up and left

that could work

The part is completed in 20-25 seconds, of which you spend 9 seconds in the freeze. Is it necessary to divide it into segments? This is a very casual passage, the map is brutal. I consider it unnecessary

-fixed last part a bit -added unfreezes in some places -added sv_pauseable 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19qWodWmTiE

turn on your music before watching ;D

The clouds don't fit with the rest of the art style, it's not teeish at all

It's not even raining

^

They are too thin and intertwined... hard to see

1 sun is a full line of unfreeze

1 sun is 1 tile of unfreeze

Be consistent, it feels like there should be jump refill and unfreeze on both tiles

You must fill the tiles around the TO with unfreeze and hammer hit on otherwise you can bump without getting any of those tiles

Also, in a multiplayer map, we tend to place 2 TO tiles if both tees share the same teleport

Shields

I don't get the point of that teleport and how are you supposed to know what it does without turning on the entities ?

If you fail, your teammate will be standing at the CTO 16 right above you, it's not that hard nor long to get back to the left side

It also avoids using random unmarked teleporters

I've not seen the whole map but from what I tested, you could maybe use

` as you always give a weapon for a single part before removing it

Why not adding a platform instead of using blockers

Fix most of the teleports

$waiting

thx

for the test

i agree, but Arrow wanted tp back, its okay if ill remove this tp?

Yes, remove it, you can't even tell what it is

It's the end of the part and it's not even hard so it's fine

Plus, you won't be jumping around the platforms because you have a teammate who can catch you and throw you to the top of the part

Imo he should let it because it’s a bit annoying to get back, and if u are in a quick run (not necessarily to get r1) the “backing” it’s very slow

You can point it with a back sign idk

i never fail in this pit, i'm not sure is this even possible, only if u got lag or something, thats why i agree with Pipou, the tp isn't needed

Just don't fail

Well it’s just a suggestion, if u don’t want 🤷🏻‍♂️

So, i hope i understood right all what mentioned

. Fixes: -almost all every empty space was filled with grass_main for minimize thin things where it's possible, also generic blocks was fixed too -added more suns where needed -added more TO every where is needed -removed some shields and added sv_teleport_lose_weapons 1.

will fix clouds latter and add rain.

👍

Now we have to make sure that sv_teleport_lose_weapons doesn't break your map

I'll test it again later today

the bot prints a warning there because only 2 map in all of ddnet use it, so it is rare behavior for players

Oh ok, good to know

doesn't mean at all that it must not be used

only that it should be considered

Is the gameplay affected by the setting ? Checkpoint teleports don't remove weapons whereas normal teleport remove them

Anyway, let us know when you tested it again entirely and when the design is done

$waiting

i have already tested it, only normal tp without checkpoints remove weapons, gameplay is okay

fixed clouds It's not raining today, it's just cloudy

proofs

Why the umbrella then

just in case

Close it then

the umbrella is broken, sorry

🗑️

🌂

That's much better

Did you play the map entirely again ?

For example you lose the laser here

oops missed this one, fixed

You lose weapons here as well

teleport 9

Is VéNa supposed to have the laser and the rocket?

nope, you should lose your weapons

The timing on bullets is not so fun

The testing process continued in-game with the mappers

$waiting

Well, fixes

added two more blocks below, now you can jump there without a hook, also I removed one block above to make it a bit harder

added stoppers for make it section a bit faster

added cp, now u can't lost laser when u fall in tp

we made decision leave it as it is

the path of the bomb a bit longer than it was before, also removed unfreeze, the section a bit harder

now u can't skip this, added some blocks

i hope i didn't miss anything

Somebody needs to test/play the map, I already did twice

i played it before it was good

gameplay

Things changed, just to make sure it's not bugged

Have you played it entirely without super again?

I played twice too

Ok, will try tomorrow

played all the map today again. Made a couple fixes with design, also added unfreeze after some parts.

also i fix this part added shield because in the previous version of the map it was possible to save the rifle, added tune_zone with hammer_strength 0 and removed speedup

the gameplay on the entire map is working, but I would like it to be checked again so as not to miss anything

we can play it together i have time rn

i tested this half map and say it is not bad. some part can be optimazed. i mean this mapper force to do boring stuff. simple just faraway totele from a part and u need always run 2-3 sek to the part. some times it have gay fail. cus it not clean mapped. some times this map trolled to u cus ofc its not clear maped

on screen is simple if u accidentally drag on stopper from top. its gg. and ez solve just put another CFRM(tele).btw it is 40% of map.

i think need littl polish not big deal.

As i said use pause, and u won't fail there

and like i said. if u fast look at this u may choose "this is a way". Like "I see the way, I no see barriers".

well, in the future you will be more careful if you fail 🙂

then u can do more gay fails if it works for u like that)

or maybe u playing like :smorc:, cuz even didn't see what to do?

chill) i just share my view with other testers)

minor design fixes

this means that a command is wrong written or smth?

no, its a note that this map setting is only used very very rarely

in this case only in two maps out of all maps in ddnet

its not a "Please remove this setting" note, rather a "Please consider the usage of this setting"

we were forced to do it

yes then it should be used, no worries!

Make the freeze 1 tile smaller, it's close as it is right now

The swing is weird, a bit too short. People played it and said the part was weird (the fact to go back and do the swing afterwards

The bullet parts are not so popular amongst people, especially that one

The laser part is hated, also, are you fine with the use of telecp11 to "cheat" the part for the second laser

Maybe add more hookable so the map has a better flow, doing a fly is very slow

It looks a lot like a filler

All the stoppers are behind the tee

The blockers are misleading, maybe replace them by hook through and add more freeze next to the unfreeze so the other one doesn't just fall in (which isn't needed)

$waiting

Basically the idea was to do this swing twice, first for reach the platform and the second for get speed. Now only for getting speed. It's okay if i leave it as it is or make it as it was?

Do you mean hit?

I just wanted to finish with a simple filler, so I added this part. Can I leave him too?

Yes but still, it's weird to have to go back to to the swing. Make it so it works better, you have to hook in the corner for it to work

I meant every bullet part, they can just ruin a race, it feels random to predict

Feels cheap but yeah it's ok

I really don't know how to improve it, for me it works good. You hook a specific point, not some random place, which simplifies this swing. Any ideas for improvement?

So, fixes: -removed one lair of freeze that on first screenshot;

• removed two more blocks for make it part harder as it was before on second screenshot, idk how to improve swing(any ideas appreciated); -parts with bombs fully removed; -the part which previously had to be passed twice in order to take a rifle, has been changed. Now you need just complete it once. Then you will open the door and takes rifle; -added more hookable blocks on 4th screenshot; -last filler leaved as it is; -tile layer with unfreeze markers, stoppers, etc. moved below the game layer; -the laser part was changed as suggested by

so its okay?

are you available ?

yes

The part can be failed, are you ok with that ?

Also, we should discuss the location of the button and of the cps

Undeep and unfreeze are the same

$waiting

fail is possible yeah, but first of all u should open the door and this button impossible to miss and if this happen u can re-play all part again

what's wrong with location? 🙂

what about this?

changed the color of undeep

Whyt not use the same symbol as deep

well, probably because the snowflake as an undeep looks strange

👍

The wall on the right is too short, do it like I did here

And remove the extra spawn

$waiting

The swing seems tight

add some tele to get back to the left, it's annoying to run all the way

fixed

What's the hammer off for ? You can remove it, and move totele4 closer to the spawn

Remove the telecp and the blockers

Please test your map entirely again

and think about the tiles you use, if they have a use

$waiting

Turn off hammer for anti skip with pseudo fly. I like current totele, change the position don't have any reason.

Stoppers needed so that it was impossible to return back. Any reason to remove cp?

Still, you can pass even with hammer off

Make it so you can't pseudofly it at all and remove the hammer off.

The totele is really annoying, plus, it's only spawn you did like that so that's weird

Entity spam and it's useless, it doesn't prevent anything

Just don't run back in ? I don't know, you even added a little wall to prevent running in

It's supposed to be a 2p team lock map, nobody can block you besides your team mate

You care about going back (in some obscure ways) and still not fail, but you added a pit on the right

I don't get it

Bro just over worked

Removed turn off hammer, now you can't skip part with pseudo-fly, replaced totele with checkpoints where possible.

minor fix

So you'd rather not have people run back into a previous part (not faily) in case of lag

But what about that

If your friend lags or your dummy hold left thanks to the DD magic, it's over

removed stoppers where they do not make much sense

That part is still an issue, 1 player does all and the other one waits

Furthermore, the cp4 is not obvious. People can't see it in design, and those playing with entities turned on can't tell where it leads

$waiting

why the speed ups

why cp20 ?

Please that map is exhausting with all those useless entities

Move to 20 to the right, it's annoying to spawn up there every time

Why a second rocket

Walked visually on the map twice, removed unnecessary unfreezes and other entities. Now both players go through the second and third parts. In the part of checkpoint 18, I added a shield, because it is visually better to add a shield instead of spamming totele.

The first part is still an issue

The game design doesn't fit the rest of the map

The connection between the two parts is just weird

It has a weird flow

$waiting

Come on, all you have to do is complete this part at the same time as your partner. What could be wrong with it?

What do you mean? There are no eye-catching elements on the map that would not fit in with the rest of the design. Except yellow undeep, which i added after your suggestion.

Now better?

I said game design not graphic design

Any examples?

i like everything

added third checkpoint for better flow, removed some game stuff

That's still awkward

Time cp and tele cp could overlap

$waiting

i couldnt keep on testing but here for example you dont have to use jump to help the player to go to the right side, dont know if i being clear

changed end of the part, also added one more cp

it's okay for me

also now both cp's overlapped where it's possible

That's much better

The unfreeze isn't marked

Also, shouldn't the unfreeze go up to the top ?

The top should maybe be make of hookable

If only 1 tee takes cp 14, it's a fail

With hookable you could swing back to the left

it was marked, but I decided to remove it, and there is no need to add more unfreeze, because the current one is enough

okay, i'll fix it

$ready 3

thanks to

and all those who helped with testing 🙂

No problem 🙂

thanks Imperus aka konepas

whats that error the bot keeps saying

^

it is a reminder that the map setting

is used in very very few DDNet maps in total (probably 1 - 5). so the usage should be well-considered

oh ok

Is it buggy or why should it be well considered? I dont think it does matter much that its being used in few maps only

well players won't know it. it will confuse players. testers need to keep that setting in mind. if it wouldn't have been used properly, it should've probably been replaced

does it do what it say? Losing weapons if u touch teleport? I think its pretty easy to understand and you could also just place an information

the player don't see the cause of the weapon removal. and if you need to place an information thingy to inform the player, the warning is sensible imo

There are a lot Maps where u dont See the cause of weapon removal either because of Double teles or something

if the testers don't want that warning I can remove it, although so far I think it is fine

with double teles you can at least see that something is happening. but it is only a warning after all, and that warning only says that the setting is unusual

Not really

People usually understand the Point of losing weapons on teles but it doesnt Matter much on this Warning

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