#learntoplay
"LearnToPlay" by Tridemy & Cøke [Novice]
DDNet 10/05/2019 7:32 PM
@Cøke
Cøke 10/05/2019 7:34 PM

we noticed that the 1 star novice maps are too hard for absolutely beginners. for all maps you need a pro who has to help. therefore we made a novice map for beginners. We tested this map with our beginners friends and adjusted it to them. this map will probably be boring for everyone here but it is meant for beginners to practice. we think novice 0 stars so it can be found more easily but 1 point for motivation.

skua 10/05/2019 7:37 PM

what if you dont have a friend

skua 10/05/2019 7:37 PM

right

skua 10/05/2019 7:37 PM
Cøke 10/05/2019 7:38 PM
skua 10/05/2019 7:39 PM

these labels are useless even for novice players

skua 10/05/2019 7:40 PM

first half of the map is 1-2 novice, second half is 3-4. Idk is it good or bad

Cøke 10/05/2019 7:40 PM

no all very easy we tested this map with beginners

Cøke 10/05/2019 7:43 PM

no novice players, absolut teeworlds newbies

Cøke 10/05/2019 8:20 PM
Cøke 10/05/2019 8:30 PM

little design bug fix

Cøke 10/05/2019 8:34 PM

corner bug fix 😄

Cøke 10/05/2019 10:04 PM

jetpack cheat fix

Bacon 10/05/2019 11:42 PM

"Infinity jump"

Bacon 10/05/2019 11:42 PM

"Shot your friend"

Bacon 10/05/2019 11:42 PM

Test for grammar and not for gameplay maybe

Bacon 10/05/2019 11:43 PM

nerf ninja part pls

Bacon 10/05/2019 11:44 PM

Maybe just show the usage of shields and the ability to ninja through gates

Bacon 10/05/2019 11:48 PM

Also can we have a good design for the potentially most basic map ?

Cøke 10/06/2019 12:07 AM

I will fix tomorrow

Cøke 10/06/2019 12:24 AM

It was important for us to choose a simple design without anything that could distract you

Boci 10/06/2019 12:28 AM

ninja part is fine!

Boci 10/06/2019 12:28 AM

the hookable helps

Cøke 10/06/2019 12:53 AM

Ok but I think this part need one more information

Slayzn 10/06/2019 11:45 AM

maybe add solo for jetpack and endless jump part

Slayzn 10/06/2019 11:46 AM

why blue tele ? 😄

Slayzn 10/06/2019 11:48 AM

feels good

Cøke 10/06/2019 4:45 PM

new and more informations

Cøke 10/06/2019 4:50 PM

ninja part nerf

Cøke 10/06/2019 10:03 PM
Cøke 10/13/2019 3:48 PM

new bg

Cøke 10/13/2019 3:51 PM
Cøke 10/13/2019 3:58 PM
Cøke 10/13/2019 4:15 PM
Cøke 10/13/2019 4:20 PM
Cøke 10/15/2019 7:24 PM
Cøke 10/15/2019 9:31 PM
Cøke 10/15/2019 9:33 PM

😄

Cøke 10/15/2019 9:35 PM
Cøke 10/15/2019 10:00 PM
jao 10/15/2019 10:30 PM

spam

jao 10/15/2019 10:32 PM

maybe you could outline why this map exactly is good for beginners in your opinion

Tridemy 10/15/2019 11:19 PM
  1. no rehook
  2. no catch
  3. you do not need a reaction 4.stopper prevent you from failing 5.simple design
Cøke 10/15/2019 11:23 PM

small bg bug fix

Michel 10/16/2019 8:54 AM

love the design

Michel 10/16/2019 8:55 AM

its the perfect introductory map

Boci 10/16/2019 11:21 AM

yea jao, if you played with absolute beginners, even kobra, and epix is hard for them

Boci 10/16/2019 11:21 AM

i feel like this map teaches you

jao 10/16/2019 11:27 AM

maybe you could explain why you feel like that

Cøke 10/16/2019 11:32 AM

🤔

Jesus Christ 10/16/2019 11:34 AM

oh so jao actually read testing channels, he just doesnt care that a map is waiting 3 years to be released

Jesus Christ 10/16/2019 11:34 AM

xd

Tridemy 10/16/2019 11:44 AM

jao explain it yourself. look at other novice maps under 3 stars

Cøke 10/18/2019 7:58 PM

a lot of fixes, thx lady saavik

Cøke 10/18/2019 8:13 PM
Cøke 10/21/2019 5:14 PM

🤔

The 10/21/2019 7:20 PM
snail 10/21/2019 8:39 PM
@jao

tbh its true that we lack actual novice maps, and since we will probably never have a proper tutorial i can see such maps being useful (even tho we dont need too many of them coz they are truly only useful once for a player)

snail 10/21/2019 8:39 PM

that one is decent coz it introduces several key mechanics for ddrace and has a good difficulty scaling

snail 10/21/2019 8:41 PM
snail 10/21/2019 8:41 PM

freeze friend => frozen friend

snail 10/21/2019 8:42 PM

and i would put "hold d+jump" rather than "press d+space" since people might change the jumping hotkey and "press d" might confuse people into trying to time the input with the lazer shot

Cøke 10/21/2019 10:06 PM

ok i fix it tomorrow 🙂

Bojidar Marinov 10/22/2019 8:25 AM

Maybe change it to hold right+jump then, for people who rebind right?

Cøke 10/22/2019 11:17 AM

informations fix

Cøke 10/22/2019 6:19 PM
@Bojidar Marinov

hmm idk.. I changed it to "hold d+jump"

тυx 10/22/2019 8:08 PM

I also know few people who play with arrow keys

Cøke 10/22/2019 8:31 PM

😮

Cøke 10/22/2019 8:32 PM

why they do this shit xD

Genex 10/22/2019 8:52 PM

Arrow keys? here I am

Genex 10/22/2019 8:53 PM

xD

The 10/23/2019 7:49 AM

i mean arrow keys if you are left handed

skua 10/23/2019 7:50 AM

There are keyboards for left handed ppl

The 10/23/2019 7:50 AM

thats just wasting money

skua 10/23/2019 7:51 AM

Why?

The 10/23/2019 7:52 AM

maybe they charge you more money for it

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:00 PM

hey, i love the concept of an introductory map and i do think ddnet doesnt really offer that map (i assume this map is meant for people who are new to teeworlds)

even though i will list rather many details, pls dont think i dont like the map. i think its really well done :), but it can still be made quite a bit more beginner-friendly

i think that this map is still a bit harsh and confusing in certain parts: gonna list them up enumerated so you can reference my points easily

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:01 PM

damn this is a wall of text

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:05 PM
Patiga 10/23/2019 2:08 PM
Patiga 10/23/2019 2:08 PM

oop, posted unfinished

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:11 PM

i tested the whole map with newbies 😮

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:12 PM

have those newbies played teeworlds before? i had really bad experience combining new players with teeworlds, especially if those new players hadnt played that many games in general

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:14 PM

10 years ago

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:14 PM

just fng

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:14 PM

all of the above points are open for discussion (i should be reachable most of the time), mightve went overboard in some points

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:16 PM
Patiga 10/23/2019 2:18 PM

i could maybe organize 2 complete newbies to try the map

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:19 PM

i really like the background btw

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:19 PM

thx

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:20 PM

Do you know other maps that are easy like this map?

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:20 PM

1 sec

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:21 PM

u have to record this newbie play

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:23 PM

if we do everything so easily the map gets boring, we just want to explain a few things in ddrace

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:24 PM

i like the way

explains stuff, tho it gets wayy to hard too soon

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:24 PM

for example the make you throw other tees

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:25 PM

is sorta good for drags, but you already require some knowledge

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:25 PM

(the 2 maps are mostly good when you have an experienced player with you)

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:26 PM

i tryed all 1 star maps with my friend,, we finished 1

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:26 PM

this map is not for explain teeworlds, this is for learning

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:28 PM

The map should be a little challenge

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:28 PM

so its not really for newbies?

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:29 PM

ofc for newbies

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:29 PM

^^

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:30 PM

If you have a little video game understanding it should not be a problem

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:31 PM

should the 2 new players that never really have seen teeworlds be able to do it?

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:32 PM

they do have quite a lot of experience in games

Tridemy 10/23/2019 2:32 PM

The map is for learning and not to fall asleep. the map is possible for beginners but a challenge. We also play maps 3-4 times until we finishen them.

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:33 PM

should i have the 2 players try the map?

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:34 PM

now?

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:34 PM

i wanna spec

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:34 PM

as soon as i can get them to the map

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:34 PM

ok write me if they rdy

Tridemy 10/23/2019 2:35 PM

i think we play to learn. No matter if you are a pro or a noob 🙂

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:42 PM
@Tridemy

so if the 2newbies would not get really far, it wouldnt bother you that much?

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:43 PM

i hope the 2 have time in half an hour

@Cøke
Cøke 10/23/2019 2:48 PM

if you're forced to play it, it does not make sense

Tridemy 10/23/2019 2:48 PM

No. teeworlds means to try a map several times. when i learned teeworlds i did with noobfilter. I tried noobfilter several hours. and then the map was too heavy for me. if you like this game, do not give up after a try.

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:48 PM

if you are interested, it will be much easier

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:50 PM

when u forced this 2 ppl.. it make no sens for me

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:50 PM

well i asked the players

  1. do you have some time right now -> 2. wanna try a beginner map of a game and see how you do?
Patiga 10/23/2019 2:51 PM

think that is fair

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:51 PM

First you have to find out if you have any desire for the game

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:51 PM

^^

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:51 PM

would you consider changing the map if they struggle? i dont really want to do this without having an effect

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:52 PM

idk the ppl

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:52 PM

if you never play after that, it makes no sense

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:52 PM

😄

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:52 PM

so no?

Tridemy 10/23/2019 2:52 PM

y, is ok. I want to see how real beginners try this map.

Tridemy 10/23/2019 2:53 PM

but i will test the map in a few days with a beginner

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:53 PM

pls test with a team of 2 beginners

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:54 PM

If the two really want to play the game, they can try it

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:54 PM

like i said, i dont really wanna do this if it has no effect. is this map now aimed at players who either have a experienced player by their side or have experience themselves?

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:54 PM

u dont understand what i said

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:55 PM

Show your newbies videos from tw and ask how they find it

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:56 PM

if they dont like.. no sens

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:56 PM

^^

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:57 PM

sry but i aint doing this, i dont want to invest that time

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:58 PM

u read the text after posting this map?

Patiga 10/23/2019 2:59 PM

no, though you say its for 'absolutely beginners'

Cøke 10/23/2019 2:59 PM

I think it's good that you are thinking but if you have no interest in tw, it makes no sense

Patiga 10/23/2019 3:00 PM

they are definitely open to trying a new game out

Patiga 10/23/2019 3:00 PM

is that enough or no?

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:00 PM

ok try it, i add this two ppl and watch what they play after 1 week

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:00 PM

🙂

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:01 PM

or dont play after it ..

Patiga 10/23/2019 3:02 PM

sry, but if you dont commit to changing things if they cant get into this map, the experiment is pointless

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:04 PM

u dont understand again

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:04 PM

i change when i see they play after this tw

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:04 PM

^^

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:07 PM

make no sens for me to bring mayflys to this map

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:07 PM

^^

Patiga 10/23/2019 3:07 PM

mayflys?

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:08 PM

ephemera

Patiga 10/23/2019 3:11 PM

i dont know what you mean

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:12 PM

people who play it once

Cøke 10/23/2019 3:13 PM

i mean teeworlds <.<

snail 10/23/2019 8:33 PM

points 4 and 10 came to my mind while playing the map too

snail 10/23/2019 8:33 PM

but i think they're difficult to adress without overloading the map with somewhat useless infos

snail 10/23/2019 8:33 PM

they're newbies not retards

snail 10/23/2019 8:34 PM

its basic and rather unfaily, figuring some stuff out by urself is what makes people stick to a game

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:35 PM

To be honest I've seen better tutorial maps such as the Kobra series and Multimap, if you're onto impression design wise. This has no actual impressions but some interesting parts on it i would say. But how you implement the name "learntoplay" does not exactly shows any improvability by only finishing once. The idea is nice, but i expected more.

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:36 PM

tutorial maps xD kobra is for pros

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:36 PM

multimap too

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:37 PM

but how many newbies did it bring through the releases? a lot apparently

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:37 PM

cuz of the impression it did

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:37 PM

we wanna make l2p 2,3,4 etc

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:37 PM

but first rls this

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:38 PM

with more tricks eetc

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:38 PM

oh boy if i could develop the map editor, i would make some dark magic and shit

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:38 PM

but still nice idea i give that

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:39 PM

what u mean

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:39 PM

dark magic

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:42 PM

i always wanted to implement animation control, so that with a trigger (tunes) i can stop the animations and fast forwarding it

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:42 PM

so i can make some texts give life to it and have a very precise control over it

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:43 PM

my idea is possible tho but no one understand how it should look like

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:43 PM

so ye

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:44 PM

ah ok

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:44 PM

i got it

Cøke 10/27/2019 4:44 PM

i got the same idea

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:46 PM

i'll think of it as an animating platform, kinda like how Infclass do with their own teeworlds editor

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:46 PM

its nicer but didnt get support for windows

Cellegen 10/27/2019 4:46 PM

so i cant do that there

Cøke 11/23/2019 2:59 PM

???

Boci 11/23/2019 2:59 PM

???

Jesus Christ 11/23/2019 3:00 PM

❔❔❔

jao 11/23/2019 10:43 PM

this is a pain and not something you need to learn as a beginner

The 11/23/2019 11:01 PM

can you show the entire part kthx

jao 11/23/2019 11:08 PM

you have 0 jumps, that's the entire part

The 11/23/2019 11:09 PM

oh

The 11/23/2019 11:09 PM

yea i kinda agree

The 11/23/2019 11:09 PM

though kobra has it too?

jao 11/23/2019 11:13 PM

that means what?

The 11/23/2019 11:13 PM

kobra has 0 jumps part

The 11/23/2019 11:13 PM

so why no learn it

jao 11/23/2019 11:14 PM

its niche

jao 11/23/2019 11:14 PM

not something you need to learn in your first map

skua 11/23/2019 11:14 PM

I actually hated that part in kobra when I played it as a noob

jao 11/23/2019 11:14 PM

same

jao 11/23/2019 11:14 PM

and still do

Cøke 11/23/2019 11:42 PM

ok fixed, added some freeze there

Cøke 11/24/2019 12:32 PM
plsplsplslol 11/25/2019 1:07 AM

why does this map have so much fps lag

Cøke 11/25/2019 1:37 AM

bcs smoke in bg? idk its fine for me

skua 11/25/2019 6:50 AM

I like the idea of supersimple map for noobs. But this tunnel is way too plain and will be boring for everyone

skua 11/25/2019 6:50 AM

imo

snail 11/25/2019 11:05 AM

i would agree

snail 11/25/2019 11:05 AM

remove the first difficulty of the first two challenges imo

snail 11/25/2019 11:06 AM

(the very first jump and the 1 tile freeze line jump)

jao 11/25/2019 11:11 AM

make the very first thing a solo and put one freeze batch without unfreeze and one with unfreeze behind it

Cøke 11/25/2019 12:49 PM

solo part just for the first jump thing or the whole beginning like sukas image?

jao 11/25/2019 2:02 PM

reduce its length and make all of it a solo

jao 11/25/2019 2:03 PM

and force the jumps so that players dont run into freeze wondering why they cant move anymore

Patiga 11/25/2019 2:04 PM

maybe gaps with freeze instead of blocks?

jao 11/25/2019 2:07 PM

thought about something like that

Cøke 11/25/2019 2:10 PM

okay

Cøke 11/26/2019 3:06 PM
jao 11/26/2019 10:57 PM

the first jumps should be doable without dj imo

jao 11/26/2019 11:03 PM

and maybe turn freeze into tele?

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:27 PM

work with 1 jump?

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:30 PM

It's the beginning

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:31 PM

You also have to learn that you can fail

jao 11/26/2019 11:38 PM

first parts should be fool proof

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:45 PM
Cøke 11/26/2019 11:46 PM

ok done, first jumps with tele now

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:46 PM

start after solopart

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:48 PM
Cøke 11/26/2019 11:52 PM

tele fix

Cøke 11/26/2019 11:55 PM

second part edit

Cøke 11/27/2019 1:13 PM

what now?

Cøke 11/27/2019 5:54 PM

?

texnonik 11/27/2019 7:52 PM

wait

Cøke 11/30/2019 2:40 PM

♾️

Cøke 12/05/2019 1:03 AM

first part edit, now ez possible with 1 jump

Cøke 12/05/2019 1:12 AM
Boci 12/06/2019 2:22 PM

maybe rename map to like, "LetMeTeachYou"

Boci 12/06/2019 2:22 PM

i don't know

Boci 12/06/2019 2:22 PM

cause i think some new guy would get offended if it says learn to play

Boci 12/06/2019 2:22 PM

it's like saying git gud

Boci 12/06/2019 2:23 PM

idk just an idea

тυx 12/06/2019 2:32 PM

I think thats okay, also never heard someone was offended by For Idiots eg.

Cøke 12/06/2019 2:38 PM
Boci 12/06/2019 3:55 PM

oh ok then

Cøke 12/08/2019 11:04 PM
eNJi 12/09/2019 12:52 PM
Bumm lol 12/09/2019 1:00 PM

Tested with Mike, zelda and jao, good map.

eNJi 12/09/2019 1:15 PM

Tested with snail, amazing map, when rls

Cøke 12/09/2019 1:51 PM

thx

texnonik 12/09/2019 5:42 PM

Next map name idea learntoreleasethemap

The 12/09/2019 7:13 PM

^ insane 5*

jao 12/09/2019 8:13 PM
@Cøke

whats the purpose of the map again

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:14 PM

learntoplay

jao 12/09/2019 8:14 PM

but the map teaches you nothing?

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:15 PM

??

jao 12/09/2019 8:15 PM

its just ddmax parts lol

jao 12/09/2019 8:15 PM
jao 12/09/2019 8:16 PM

this is as good as it gets teaching wise

jao 12/09/2019 8:17 PM

this is not teaching people anything

jao 12/09/2019 8:17 PM

if you dont know what ninja is u will be confused af

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:17 PM

xD

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:18 PM

its just weak ddmax map with few text, also its just hooking and it doesnt tech you mechanics like hammer throw, hammer fly etc

jao 12/09/2019 8:18 PM
jao 12/09/2019 8:18 PM

youre throwing names at players without explaining anything

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:19 PM

i imagine learn to play map as some kind of a boot camp, where it shows you every basic game mechanics and then it challanges you with these mechanics

jao 12/09/2019 8:19 PM

why do you want to make beginners think that switch markings are teleports

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:20 PM

the point is: hf etc way too hard for newbies

jao 12/09/2019 8:20 PM
jao 12/09/2019 8:20 PM

stuff like this is also way too hard for newbies

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:20 PM

its not hard and its necessarily to progress in game

jao 12/09/2019 8:21 PM

especially since shields have a bigger hit box than what they look like

jao 12/09/2019 8:21 PM

this is pretty wack as endless intro part. proper way would be to make a part that forces you to endless hook so that its obvious what it does

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:21 PM

its not hard wtf, try kobra with teeworlds beginner xd

jao 12/09/2019 8:23 PM

having teles like this port you back all the way is just demotivating

jao 12/09/2019 8:23 PM

its aimed at beginners, they shouldnt have to redo a part for failing another one

jao 12/09/2019 8:23 PM

thats not teaching anything

jao 12/09/2019 8:24 PM

this explanation isnt clear

jao 12/09/2019 8:24 PM

again, proper way would be to force tees to go in the correct order to show them how a bounce works

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:27 PM

i would call it learntohook

jao 12/09/2019 8:27 PM

i also think its wrong to start the map with a hookthrough part especially without introducing what hookthrough is

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:28 PM

they're newbies not retards

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:29 PM

its called learntoplay tho

jao 12/09/2019 8:29 PM

before making such a part that requires holding d, you should make one without holding d to show the differences

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:29 PM

so u should treat them like retards

jao 12/09/2019 8:29 PM

so people understand what holding d does instead of just braindead following descriptions

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:30 PM

as I said, I have tested all maps for beginners with a beginner and found no feasible

eNJi 12/09/2019 8:31 PM

this will legit give them nothing

jao 12/09/2019 8:32 PM

to make it clear: i dont think the map is generally bad but it fails at being a "learn to play" map

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:35 PM

i just want to help the beginners with it ^^

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:37 PM

because teeworlds as it is now is not very beginner friendly

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:38 PM

if u dont like it , decline it ^^

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:40 PM

i dont wanna edit the whole map.. all parts very easy

Cøke 12/09/2019 8:40 PM

all parts tested with beginners

jao 12/09/2019 9:12 PM

u should rework the ninja part

jao 12/09/2019 9:12 PM

and solo shorter

jao 12/09/2019 9:12 PM

and i suggest a name change

jao 12/09/2019 9:13 PM

then it’s probably good to go

jao 12/09/2019 9:13 PM

ah and the first/second tee description is bad

Cøke 12/09/2019 9:20 PM

why change parts and name?

Cøke 12/09/2019 9:20 PM

choose one

Cøke 12/09/2019 9:45 PM
Cøke 12/09/2019 9:47 PM

ninja part edit

Cøke 12/09/2019 9:47 PM

short solo part now

Cøke 12/09/2019 9:48 PM

idk what u mean about first and second tee part

Cøke 12/10/2019 12:39 PM
@jao

better now?

Cøke 12/10/2019 12:39 PM
louis 12/10/2019 3:25 PM

i might use this map to make a tutorial video it is very nice

Cøke 12/10/2019 6:36 PM
Cøke 12/10/2019 7:19 PM

sure use it

jao 12/10/2019 8:11 PM

that looks better

jao 12/10/2019 8:12 PM

even tho first and second tee still sounds wrong

Cøke 12/10/2019 8:19 PM

how should I describe it?

jao 12/10/2019 9:09 PM

just "first" "second" maybe

Cøke 12/10/2019 9:13 PM

ok done

тυx 12/10/2019 9:41 PM

wrong placed unfreeze on first cp

Cøke 12/10/2019 9:48 PM
Cøke 12/11/2019 3:13 PM
@jao

map ok now?

Cøke 12/17/2019 2:34 PM

??

Ravie 12/18/2019 7:05 AM

honestly not a very good novice imo, difficulty is definitely above 1* and there are already some much better made maps in lower half of novice. also a map that looks like this should at least have good fps

Cøke 12/20/2019 1:10 PM

As I said, I tested all novice map with beginners

Cøke 12/20/2019 1:11 PM

1 - 2 maps ok for beginners but hard

DarkOort 12/20/2019 1:29 PM

Put an achievement when beginner finish the map xd

Bacon 12/20/2019 2:11 PM

Imagine achivements for teeworlds

Bacon 12/20/2019 2:11 PM

'd be cool

Cøke 12/20/2019 2:21 PM
snail 12/20/2019 2:49 PM

it was planned reaaaally long ago by deen

snail 12/20/2019 2:49 PM

achievements on profile

snail 12/20/2019 2:49 PM

sadly never got finished iirc

Ryozuki 12/21/2019 7:27 PM

i would reserve the map name for a better map

jao 12/21/2019 10:51 PM
jao 12/21/2019 11:13 PM
jao 12/21/2019 11:26 PM
@Cøke

did some minor changes/improvements

jao 12/21/2019 11:26 PM

good to go from my side

jao 12/21/2019 11:36 PM

$ready 2

snail 12/21/2019 11:44 PM

omg finally

snail 12/21/2019 11:44 PM

🥰

Cøke 12/21/2019 11:57 PM
Boci 12/22/2019 3:14 AM

why not novice 1 ?

Boci 12/22/2019 3:15 AM

the point of this it is the easiest map

skua 12/22/2019 3:17 AM

harder than 1*

plsplsplslol 12/22/2019 3:23 AM

then change map name

skua 12/22/2019 3:42 AM

the map name isnt "the 1star novice map"

Ravie 12/22/2019 7:03 AM

It's not a good map to "learn to play" has moves and features no new player can figure out on his own

snail 12/22/2019 9:04 AM

👺

Patiga 12/22/2019 9:06 AM

i would agree, the map is more about having someone else show you how to get through it

Knuski 12/22/2019 9:23 AM

The probability of someone completely new playing this is very low anyway

Patiga 12/22/2019 9:44 AM

well thats the thing

Patiga 12/22/2019 9:44 AM

if a new player is looking for a entry point, 'learntoplay' sounds like the logical place to start

Cøke 12/22/2019 10:43 AM

This was my idea patuga 😁

Cøke 12/22/2019 10:43 AM

Patiga

Cøke 12/22/2019 10:44 AM

This is not learn to play teeworlds, it's learn to play ddrace

Cøke 12/22/2019 10:45 AM

With simple ddrace features

jao 12/22/2019 11:16 AM

the name doesn’t matter

jao 12/22/2019 11:16 AM

a total beginner wont be able to search for it anyways

jao 12/22/2019 11:17 AM

and the map is still very easy

Bacon 12/22/2019 4:30 PM

Again, can we make this default map on empty novice servers?

Boci 12/22/2019 4:36 PM

please

Cøke 12/22/2019 4:50 PM

Nice idea

@Bacon
jao 12/22/2019 5:09 PM

it’s not that good for total beginners, so no

texnonik 12/22/2019 6:33 PM

i know my new name of map : learntobantexnonik

plsplsplslol 12/22/2019 6:43 PM

other maps like just2easy are better for beginners

Ryozuki 12/22/2019 8:03 PM

ye

Ryozuki 12/22/2019 8:04 PM

just2easy way better

Cøke 12/23/2019 12:16 AM

Just to easy = super lame

louis 12/23/2019 1:11 AM

imo putting a tee in a map is no good, an actual interactive tutorial or a video would be the best.

skua 12/23/2019 2:13 AM

just2easy good

skua 12/23/2019 2:14 AM
@louis

practice is the only way

plsplsplslol 12/23/2019 6:34 AM

or you could play mud