02:49 < NiKiS> hi all, if there are any admins here, look at this topic and tell me what you think :) https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=116358 07:44 < guenstig_werben> @minus @matricks one on? 08:25 <@matricks> I'm 09:08 <@matricks> omg 09:17 <@matricks> nice, guy wanna complain about people not playing nicely, joins the channel and straight off the bat breaks two rules 09:21 <@matricks> btw 09:21 <@matricks> https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=11639 09:22 <@matricks> thoughts people? 09:29 < masoudd> It's disgusting 09:29 <@matricks> yap, but what should you do about it? :) 09:30 < masoudd> If you ban the ip they will easily change it and continue 09:30 <@matricks> banning them kinda opens flood gates as well 09:31 < masoudd> But why would they want more people in their servers so much? To the extent that they will ddos other servers? 09:31 <@matricks> kids 09:31 < masoudd> Yeah figured 09:31 <@matricks> gives them control over players 09:31 <@matricks> they want power ;) 09:31 < masoudd> I'm scared just thinking about what would they do when they grow up 09:32 <@matricks> well, behave perhaps 09:32 < masoudd> such thirst for power can not end well 09:32 <@matricks> well, people do grow up as well so 09:33 < masoudd> I hope 09:34 <@matricks> I mean, if admins start banning servers because people say that they behave bad.. thats going on annecdotal evidence, the worst kind of evidence, and start stretching the rules for what they ban for etc 09:34 < masoudd> Yes. Good point. 09:34 <@matricks> the general rule have always been that they don't get involved in player conflicts because.. well 09:35 <@matricks> it's a mess without having any good evidence to go on 09:36 < masoudd> That's the price of being open. It's the same as aim bots. Having an open structure makes these abuses possible 09:37 <@matricks> yup 09:37 < masoudd> It still bothers me that there's nothing to be done about it. 09:37 <@matricks> it's really really hard :/ 09:38 <@matricks> I've thought about the aimbot problem for years with no good solution to it 09:38 < masoudd> If not impossible 09:38 <@matricks> I only have one 09:38 < masoudd> Please share that one solution 09:38 <@matricks> make it the game 09:38 <@matricks> never seen a bot to make aimbots 09:38 < masoudd> Ah so to embrace it? 09:39 <@matricks> yeah, there are games like that 09:39 <@matricks> and I've never seen anyone write a bot that.. well.. can write bots :) 09:39 < masoudd> There is a relevant xkcd here 09:40 < masoudd> https://xkcd.com/810/ 09:40 <@matricks> hehe 09:41 < masoudd> I think these kind of games have a lot of potential 09:41 <@matricks> masoudd: well, my solution was design the game so it was really hard to actually make a bot for it, but computers are a bit too powerful today 09:41 < masoudd> But sadly the audience is only programmers 09:41 <@matricks> yap 09:42 < masoudd> Have you seen the soccer2d competitions? 09:43 < masoudd> You have to write programs that play soccer. and compete with other people's programs 09:43 <@matricks> nope, and now I have meetings for the rest of the day 09:44 < masoudd> Doesn't matter how you write the client. As long as the client has to send mouse movement to the server and receive enemy positions from the server, aim bots are easy to write 09:44 <@matricks> yeah, but make the aiming part hard! :D 09:44 <@matricks> not simple prediction 09:45 < masoudd> That's the thing. People can undo any modification you do to the client. 09:46 <@matricks> but I'm not talking about source here, I'm talking that you have to predict the other player better 09:46 <@matricks> so you are putting the computer up to another brain which have loads of computational power :) 09:46 <@matricks> but it's hard as I said 09:47 <@matricks> but now, I need to goto meetings 09:47 < masoudd> OK nice chat 15:32 < qwery> d 16:18 < Obani> yo 16:19 < Fels> oink 16:20 <@matricks> BONK! 16:21 <@matricks> pig 16:22 < Fels> i am depressed. 16:22 < Fels> http://steamcharts.com/app/380840#All 16:23 <@matricks> heh 16:23 <@matricks> Fels: maybe start DDOSing other games to get some players to teeworlds 16:23 < Devotee> good idea 16:24 < Obani> Fels, steam is bad source 16:24 < Obani> I don't play on steam anymore 16:24 < Obani> It's too long to launch 16:24 < Obani> Also you can't have clients on Steam 16:25 < Fels> matricks pls fix 16:25 <@matricks> Fels: fix what? 16:25 < Fels> what Obani said :( 16:26 <@matricks> sounds like a steam problem 16:26 < Obani> What do you mean ? 16:27 < Fels> Teeworlds is open source.. Steam only refers a game to 1 source. that means if you want to use a client you basicly play "another" game and steam cant handle this. 16:27 < Obani> I discovered that client https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=11630 16:28 <@heinrich5991> "too long to launch" - steam's problem 16:28 <@heinrich5991> "different client" - just replace the client executable (almost like installing a mod previosuly) 16:28 < Obani> heinrich5991, that would erase time playing and would not appear in Steam graphs 16:29 < Obani> played 16:29 < Obani> Or maybe should I change a file ? 16:29 <@heinrich5991> " 16:29 <@heinrich5991> "replace the client executable" 16:29 < Obani> BUt anyway when I want to play this fast game fast I want it launches fast :p 16:30 <@matricks> Obani: then stop using inferior products 16:30 <@matricks> like steam 16:30 < Obani> matricks, that's what I did 16:30 <@matricks> vanilla should launch quickly 16:31 < Obani> well when the game is launched, the loading isn't long. But steam really is annoying :/ 16:31 < Fels> mhmm i love vanilla ice cream 16:31 < Obani> prefer stracciatella 16:32 <@matricks> then stop using if it's annoying 16:34 < Fels> can we do it so we are forced to open tw with a command-prompt-window ? 16:39 <@heinrich5991> what do you mean? 16:40 < Fels> well, we just talked about annoyance. instead of klicking the .exe we have to write a command line to start tw :> 16:41 < masoudd> Since when? 16:42 < Fels> ... nothing. that was a joke. 16:42 < masoudd> Ah 16:42 < Fels> :C 16:42 < masoudd> I got worried there 23:55 < Mr-Anderson> wtf happens with the irc? o.O 23:56 < Fels> what do you mean? 23:57 < Mr-Anderson> i could not connect to it.. after a few minutes i was automatically joined an empty #teeworlds channel on quakenet o.O 23:57 < Fels> netsplit. 23:58 < Fels> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit 23:58 < Mr-Anderson> oh, ok. thx :)