00:46 < JulianAssange> google maps: pokemon edition
00:46 < JulianAssange> lol.
02:11 < JulianAssange> so 
02:11 < JulianAssange> MAX_VOTE_OPTIONS
02:11 < JulianAssange> i raised that to 512
02:11 < JulianAssange> on my server
02:11 < JulianAssange> recompiled and reran the srver.. and nothing bad happened
02:11 < JulianAssange> is this normal?
02:12 < Maimer> what were you expecting to happen?
02:12 < JulianAssange> client crash maybe?
02:28 < JulianAssange> can someone tell me what hte 'LAN' tab is supposed to do?
02:28 < JulianAssange> is it to list all servers on local netowrk?
02:28 < JulianAssange> if so, it doesn't work. it only checks port 8303
03:09 < Maimer> matricks you there?
05:41 < o0elise0o> i really like teeworlds, but it needs to more stuff
05:41 < o0elise0o> like doors, or at least triggers for map entities and stuff, moving tiles(platforms), etc
05:41 < o0elise0o> teleporters
05:45 < o0elise0o> levels are really limited in what they can do because of those missing things, ctf "bases" aren't possible for real, you just bottleneck people
05:45 < o0elise0o> the server doesn't offer much customization for like respawn time, item respawn times, etc. even the tuned stuff flags you as not vanilla
05:55 < o0elise0o> respawn times for items*
05:57 < o0elise0o> Is there anyone that can point me or help me to GIT the teeworlds repo and point me in the right direction on how to build on win64?
05:57 < o0elise0o> I guess I could possibly build on Mint 32bit
06:26 < o0elise0o> there's no repo?
06:45 < Maimer> o0elise0o there is a repo
06:52 < o0elise0o> Where?
06:53 < Maimer> https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds
07:07 < o0elise0o> Thanks
07:07 < o0elise0o> Is there anything special with the External Console protocol or is it just plain text?
07:22 < o0elise0o> What are the valid values for ec_output_level? I really just want to know what value to put to see the most verbose info.
07:23 < eeeee> iirc external console is just telnet
07:25 < eeeee> for the max verbosity you should specify ec_output_level 9001
07:25 < o0elise0o> It seems that way, yeah.
07:25 < o0elise0o> 9001? Really?
07:28 < o0elise0o> Is there a way to disable the EC timeout?
07:31 < eeeee> dunno, i used to just send ping commands
07:32 < o0elise0o> I wanted to make a real time logger with a trigger system
07:33 < eeeee> we used to have such a thing for ddwar
07:33 < o0elise0o> I'm just going to do it generic, using TCL
07:33 < o0elise0o> So it'll run on anything(even Android :-)
07:34 < eeeee> what
07:34 < o0elise0o> tcl/tk
07:35 < o0elise0o> its a language, theres an android ARM port
07:35 < eeeee> but why would logger even need a ui?
07:35 < eeeee> normally logger populates some kind of database
07:35 < o0elise0o> its not really a logger
07:35 < eeeee> which is then processed with some analytical logic and results are presented in the ui
07:35 < o0elise0o> more like an admin bot, with event triggers and stuff
07:35 < o0elise0o> but btw tcl doesnt have a UI
07:35 < o0elise0o> its a console mode language
07:36 < o0elise0o> um
07:36 < o0elise0o> there arent results
07:36 < eeeee> tk is the ui
07:36 < o0elise0o> yeah
07:36 < o0elise0o> but what im talking about isnt going to generate like a log file
07:37 < o0elise0o> more like an admin bot that notices when you've killed 5 people in a row but havent died and broadcasts "RAMPAGE!"
07:37 < o0elise0o> get what im saying?
07:37 < eeeee> anyway, you should try to decouple the actual "logger", that is the program which is console mode only and listens/responds to events
07:37 < eeeee> and the ui part
07:37 < eeeee> which would serve as a configuration utility for the first program
07:38 < o0elise0o> oh theres probably not going to be a configuration utility
07:38 < o0elise0o> just .cfg files
07:38 < o0elise0o> and there is no UI
07:38 < eeeee> oh, okay. carry on then
07:38 < eeeee> still, why tcl?
07:38 < o0elise0o> cuz i know it
07:38 < o0elise0o> :-P
07:39 < o0elise0o> also cuz then i can run the admin bot on my cellphone
07:39 < o0elise0o> but have the code be portable to every platform i know of that isn't made by Apple
07:39 < eeeee> pretty sure you can't
07:39 < eeeee> it would drain your battery in a couple hours
07:40 < o0elise0o> um
07:40 < eeeee> also you can likely run python or java on your phone as well
07:40 < o0elise0o> well when i say "cellphone" i mean palmtop PC
07:40 < o0elise0o> but thats ok
07:40 < eeeee> not to mention you can cross compile c++ with minimal effort to run on android
07:40 < o0elise0o> i don't know any of those languages
07:41 < eeeee> wow, okay
07:41 < o0elise0o> and tcl has a 1mb binary for all platforms, the overhead doesn't get much smaller. :-P
07:41 < eeeee> sounds like a perfect opportunity to learn them, then
07:41 < o0elise0o> i have no use for them
07:41 < o0elise0o> when/if i do i will learn them
07:42 < eeeee> you'll have no use for tcl after you learn them ;P
07:42 < o0elise0o> whys that
07:43 < eeeee> nobody really uses tcl so i strongly suspect it is an inferior language
07:43 < o0elise0o> i dont have root access on my VPS, i can't install things that need root like perl(which is already installed, but thats not hte pont)
07:43 < o0elise0o> tcl just isnt popular
07:44 < o0elise0o> i like it, the interpreter is one file, a small file, you can get precompiled binaries for every platform
07:44 < o0elise0o> seriously tcl has been ported to more platforms then most languages
08:33 <@matricks> Maimer: here bow
08:33 <@matricks> now
08:34 <@minus> here now, too o/
08:34 <@matricks> o0elise0o: btw, one of the design principles of teeworlds is simplicity, thats why you don't find loads of weapons etc in it
08:36 <@minus> matricks: but it lacks the rocket launcher from unreal tournament!
08:38 < o0elise0o> Oh I know it's simple, but moving platforms feel missing.
08:39 < o0elise0o> Really moving platforms is the only thing I listed that does actually feel missing.
08:40 < o0elise0o> well, that and being able to set the respawn timers for everything
08:42 < o0elise0o> Oh, and a tazer.
08:42 < o0elise0o> We need tasers so we can stun people.
08:42 <@minus> "only" :D
08:42 < o0elise0o> Just add moving tiles.
08:43 < o0elise0o> Have one of those 50 empty spots in the game entities file thing be a traintrack tile and you just set the speed it moves
08:43 < o0elise0o> or have a train layer. :-P
09:01 < o0elise0o> btw there is a bug in the external console
09:02 < o0elise0o> it's got garbage characters in the buffer when it asks for the password
09:02 < o0elise0o> so the first password try always fails
09:21 <@minus> sounds like a sensitive bug
10:20 < o0elise0o> It happens with every client I try to connect with, btw
10:21 <@matricks> o0elise0o: btw, why do you feel that moving platforms are missing?
10:22 < o0elise0o> It seems like it would expand the level design capabilities and make the game more fun, challenging, if implemented in a level a specific way it could make CTF bases more challenging to reach
10:22 < o0elise0o> also moving platforms seem like they fit the teeworlds style really well
10:23 < o0elise0o> In open air style maps moving blocks would add challenge to the game.
10:23 < o0elise0o> Your timings for hooks would change constantly, etc.
10:23 <@matricks> yes, and that goes against the teeworlds design :)
10:24 < o0elise0o> How so?
10:24 <@matricks> same reason why destructable terrain isn't done
10:24 < o0elise0o> I mean a level composed entirely of moving things would, but a moving platform in the middle region of the map sounds good to me.
10:25 <@matricks> teeworlds is about simplicity and predictability, the reason why people can move so fast in the game is because it's predictable
10:25 < o0elise0o> Horizontal movement I mean..
10:25 < o0elise0o> Yeah you can predict moving platforms on predestined tracks
10:25 < o0elise0o> Just like every mario game ever
10:26 <@matricks> one problem that I see with moving platforms is their velocity, you can't use them for moving a player, only creating changing obstacles
10:26 < o0elise0o> Why can't you move the player?
10:26 <@matricks> then the velocity of the platforms has to be very fast
10:27 < o0elise0o> Why?
10:27 <@matricks> why take a slow platform when you can fly fast through the air? same reason people don't walk in teeworlds
10:28 < o0elise0o> ..
10:28 < o0elise0o> Well, I didn't mean for you to use them to take a ride.
10:28 <@matricks> if teeworlds were more slow paced, moving platforms would make more sense
10:28 < o0elise0o> That's a bit odd and I hadn't thought of people doing that.
10:28 < o0elise0o> ..
10:28 < o0elise0o> haha
10:28 < o0elise0o> I guess you don't get it.
10:29 < o0elise0o> Oh well.
10:29 <@matricks> and I guess you don't get teeworlds :)
10:29 < o0elise0o> Teeworlds hasn't changed in 5 years so I'm not expecting anything new to be added ever anyways.
10:30 <@matricks> is that bad? tetris hasn't changed in.. well.. I don't know how many years :)
10:30 < o0elise0o> A moving platform in the middle area of a CTF map. It's just a moving hookable object, not a train to ride..
10:30 < o0elise0o> Um.
10:30 < o0elise0o> Tetris has changed a lot.
10:31 < o0elise0o> When was the last time you played an official Tetris game?
10:31 <@matricks> never, I play the classic ones :)
10:31 < o0elise0o> Video games that don't change get left behind, btw.
10:31 <@matricks> the thing is, let teeworlds be teeworlds, if you wanna do something else, I would do teeworlds2 or something like that
10:31 <@matricks> o0elise0o: is that a bad thing?
10:32 <@matricks> o0elise0o: games that change all the time doesn't nesessarly get better, they get bland
10:32 <@matricks> why do people thing a game dieing off is a bad thing...
10:33 <@matricks> do a new game with the updated changes you want etc instead of patching away a perfectly good game that it is
10:33 <@matricks> so people can go back and replay that old game that they liked
10:34 < o0elise0o> So basically the forum post for "hey what do you want to see in 0.7" is just bullshit?
10:34 < o0elise0o> You're saying not one dev is going to care what anyone says there?
10:35 <@matricks> I've not read it
10:35 < o0elise0o> Are you even a dev?
10:35 <@matricks> :)
10:35 <@matricks> well, not anymore
10:36 < o0elise0o> Why cuz you don't understand that an active project means an unfinished one? Or what?
10:37 <@matricks> because I got tired more or less, and had little spare time
10:37 < o0elise0o> Teeworlds hasn't even made it to 1.0 yet. Pfft, not even a traditionally non-beta release.
10:38 <@matricks> well, you have to define 1.0 to make it into 1.0
10:38 < o0elise0o> Moving platforms if done with care in the level design part could easily be easy to play and add to the speed of a level.
10:39 < o0elise0o> Teleporters, if not abused by mappers, can do the same
10:39 <@matricks> teleporters is a better fit
10:39 < o0elise0o> Doors, or just triggered moving/disappearing/appearing tiles, would most definitely add some traditional tactics to matched like CTF
10:40 <@matricks> what you want is more dynamic maps it seems
10:41 < o0elise0o> Sort of.
10:41 <@matricks> which is one of the things I stayed away from when designing the game
10:41 < o0elise0o> I want CTF to be able to even have traditional CTF tactics involved in the game
10:41 < o0elise0o> Right now the only way to really do a CTF base is to have the flag be off on a platform far off to the side with one path in
10:41 < o0elise0o> Cuz theres zero obstacle capabilities
10:42 < o0elise0o> if you had to hook/jump even one moving platform on the way into the base and the distances where right you'd create a better base
10:42 <@matricks> which game do you refer to when you say traditional ctf?
10:43 < o0elise0o> you'd add a moment of pause to recover a defense, etc
10:43 < o0elise0o> They are all the same..
10:43 <@matricks> *games
10:43 < o0elise0o> take ctf5 for example
10:43 <@matricks> well, when I think traditional ctf were I drew inspiration from when I designed teeworlds it's quake3
10:44 < o0elise0o> I'll admit that is a really well done map, but it's old and really really over played
10:44 <@matricks> and there you have no buttons, teleporters or moving platforms etc etc
10:44 < o0elise0o> But any other map to capture the gameplay would have to be a clone of ctf5
10:44 < o0elise0o> q3 doesn't have teleporters?
10:45 < o0elise0o> i know it has bouncy bouncers
10:45 < o0elise0o> whatever they are called. :-P
10:45 <@matricks> it has, but not on any of the ctf maps I think
10:45 < o0elise0o> maybe add bouncy bouncers to teeworlds
10:45 <@matricks> or well, one ctf map has teleporters and moving platform, the ctf map that sucks :)
10:45 < o0elise0o> oh and hey
10:45 < o0elise0o> what i was thinking the teleports would be good for was for spawn rooms you can't get massacred in
10:45 < o0elise0o> one way teleports out of hte spawn room
10:46 < o0elise0o> or maybe even just one way blocks in vanilla teeworlds
10:47 < o0elise0o> one way blocks that you cant shoot through but can move in a specific direction through
10:47 <@matricks> stuff like that is better
10:47 <@matricks> it fits more into the design
10:48 < o0elise0o> im a huge CTF fan btw, I played quake1, quake3, unreal tourny, urban terror, etc
10:48 < o0elise0o> i also like making teeworlds maps
10:48 <@matricks> I played q3 ctf every day before.. same map everyday :)
10:48 <@matricks> q3ctf3
10:49 < o0elise0o> if you want to see a map i made just join elise.openverse.com in teeworlds.
10:49 <@matricks> can't
10:49 <@matricks> workin
10:49 < o0elise0o> i host a dedicated teeworlds server on my vps, which btw kind of sucks the server lags on kind of a cycle
10:51 <@matricks> btw, I'm not a dev anymore, but it's me who designed and coded almost everything in teeworlds form the beginning before I handed it over to Oy
10:54 < o0elise0o> Well thanks for the game.
10:55 <@matricks> I take no part of development of the game what so ever now adays, I've done some smaller fixes etc but thats about it
10:56 <@matricks> and now I shall fix food, and then work some
11:17 < o0elise0o> Is there any logic to the item=1/0 etc stuff in the server logs?
11:21 <@matricks> dunno, don't recall
11:21 <@matricks> there is logic to it yes :)
11:21 <@matricks> but I can't remember what logic
14:07 < JulianAssange> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/696/994/b81.jpg
17:07 < BotoX> minus: Process: 1630 ExecStart=/usr/bin/tincd --net=%i --no-detach --user=nobody (code=killed, signal=SEGV)
17:11 <@minus> n1
17:11 <@minus> BotoX: `systemd-coredumpctl gdb`
17:12 < BotoX> >No match found
17:12 < BotoX> lel
17:12 < BotoX> No coredumps found
17:12 < BotoX> 16h ago
17:12 < BotoX> hmmm, zsh is taking a second to start on my server
17:13 < BotoX> which it hasn't been doing before
17:15 < BotoX> reinstalled oh-my-zsh and fixed, magic.
17:15 <@minus> oh-my-zsh?
17:16 < BotoX> oh-my-zsh.
17:16 < BotoX> https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh
17:20 < BotoX> http://ohmyz.sh/
17:20 < BotoX> >Check out the swag →
17:20 < BotoX> holy crap
17:20 < BotoX> time to switch to fish
17:20 < BotoX> this is too hipster for me
17:22 <@minus> very fancy
17:22 <@minus> still using grml zsh config
17:23 < BotoX> http://odditie-s.tumblr.com/post/81109325064/the-pirate-bay-bundle
17:23 < BotoX> Is teeworlds in here?
17:24 <@minus> heinrich5991: i think i know why bpython didn't work for you. you didn't upgrade to python 3.4 yet but it installed to /usr/lib/python3.4
17:24 < BotoX> I tried bpython btw
17:24 < BotoX> pretty nice
17:25 < BotoX> now pls add it to sublime
17:30 < Wuzzy> @BotoX: No, Teeworlds is not in there.
17:31 < BotoX> Ya, already checked myself
17:31 < BotoX> Wuzzy, that's a new name in here, isn't it?
17:31 < BotoX> nais tsu miit tsu
17:31 < Wuzzy> No.
17:32 < Wuzzy> It is just the first time I talk. XD
17:32 < BotoX> oh, wellp
17:32 < BotoX> it really is \o/
17:33 < BotoX> and a bunch of joins and quits
17:47 < BotoX> http://www.seattlerex.com/suing-apple/
17:47 < BotoX> why is this so amazing
18:09 < teetow> "Were I to win, I know that most of you would get nothing more than a free Ke$ha download from iTunes."
18:09 < teetow> I think you have you reason there.
19:31 < o0elise0o> "Well, if Apple was not a monopoly none of this wold be happening."
19:31 < o0elise0o> Since when was Apple a monopoly in anything?
19:32 <@matricks> well, they like their walled gardens, thats for sure
19:34 < o0elise0o> Yeah.
19:36 <@matricks> http://i.imgur.com/lTLnqry.jpg
19:36 <@matricks> hyhyhyhy
19:45 <@minus> AOL Kids even
19:46 < nameless_tee> guys where to find the folder with maps etc on linux?
19:46 <@matricks> the downloaded maps etc?
19:46 < nameless_tee> ye
19:47 <@matricks> ~/.teeworlds
19:47 <@minus> don't type faster than me, matricks :<
19:47 <@matricks> :P
19:49 < nameless_tee> found it thx
19:57 < nameless_tee> its a pain to play this game on fedora, besides the missing packages to even start the game which i found after inet forum search, the srv is just not working (autoexe missing it seems + other stuff). also the fullscreen mode offers extreme stutters and unability to do anything other before quit.
19:58 < nameless_tee> ubuntu worked better afaik when i tried about a year ago, beside that it crashed from time to time which is inacceptable too.
19:59 < nameless_tee> you know a distribution where this game is working correctlyẞ
20:02 < heinrich5991> minus: might've been the reason
20:02 < heinrich5991> evil me
20:02 < heinrich5991> partial upgrades
20:03 <@minus> heinrich5991: you know what gave me the idea? i did the same today :D
20:03 < heinrich5991> :)
20:03 <@minus> well, i saw a 3.3 in the traceback but knew 3.4 was already rolled out
20:03 <@minus> also, check 3.4's asyncio module, is srs bznz
20:05 <@matricks> ARGH!!!!
20:05  * matricks wanna fly
20:20  * minus np: Tito - Exterminate
20:20 <@minus> :D
20:21 < nameless_tee> someone may answer my question if you know a linux distribution where tw runs smooth onẞ
20:22 < heinrich5991> nameless_tee: have you considered that the problem might lie at your graphics driver?
20:22 < heinrich5991> what graphics card do you have, what driver do you use?
20:22 < heinrich5991> for me, it ran smoothly on ubuntu, without crashes
20:33 < nameless_tee> have an hd6870, never installed drivers, dont think i need graphic card at all for tw with intel i5 onboard?
20:41 < BotoX> u wot m8
20:42  * minus is running a HD5870 with radeon/xf86-video-ati
20:42  * minus high-fives BotoX
20:42  * BotoX \o/*\o/
20:42 <@minus> also had a AMD FirePro 4100M
20:43 < BotoX> HD3650 on my thinkpad
20:43 <@minus> but that one's going back
20:43 < BotoX> and oh man so mad right now
20:43 <@minus> madness?
20:43 < BotoX> no audio out on the displayport
20:43 < BotoX> wanted to watch chinese cartoons on my plasma
20:43 <@minus> use the HDMI!
20:43 < BotoX> and no audio card detected
20:43 < BotoX> it only has VGA and DP
20:43 <@minus> do you know how to disable HDMI audio?
20:43 < BotoX> I have a DP -> HDMI cable
20:43 <@minus> DP & VGA ♥
20:43 <@minus> HDMI sucks
20:43 < BotoX> They crippled the DP port to not support audio
20:44 <@minus> uhm
20:44 < BotoX> or intel did, or even AMD
20:44 < BotoX> hell, I don't know. Reading through forums
20:44 <@minus> i'm pretty sure it's a driver problem
20:44 < BotoX> http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/Displayport-to-HDMI-with-audio/td-p/68575
20:44 <@minus> have you ever succeeded with DP audio on radeon?
20:44 < BotoX> I did enabled it in the kernel
20:44 < BotoX> tried on windows and linux
20:44 < BotoX> there is no sound card
20:45 <@matricks> http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/04/01/titanfall-optimus-prime-dlc-trailer
20:45 <@matricks> hehe
20:45 <@minus> man, can't be so hard, it's obviously not a hardware problem
20:45 <@minus> tell 'em to fix their firmware
20:47 < BotoX> >The official position from engineering and development is that there will be no action taken on this series of systems to provide audio on display port.   Discussion has become pointless debate.
20:47 <@minus> intel a shit?
20:48 < BotoX> idk
20:48 < BotoX> apparently the chipset a shit
20:48 <@minus> which one is it?
20:48 < BotoX> PM45
20:49 < BotoX> http://thinkpad-forum.de/threads/84041-DisplayPort-HDMI-mit-Tonsignal?p=769328&viewfull=1#post769328
20:49 < BotoX> >2010
20:49 < BotoX> y-yeah guys
20:49 < BotoX> we're working on it!
20:51 < BotoX> The displayport is only enabled when using the discrete AMD card, they're using a hardware mux.
20:51 < BotoX> So I guess the intel chipset isn't at fault but AMD?
20:51 < BotoX> Or the chipset doesn't give the GPU any audio?
20:52 <@minus> GPU needs no fuckin audio support for audio on DP, it just has to mux in a stream. can't be so hard. or if it really is any more complicated it's shit
20:55 <@minus> good bang for the buck http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00DMRJKLI/
20:55 < BotoX> >numpad on a laptop
20:55 < BotoX> and I hate flat chiclet keys
20:55 <@minus> well, it's 15.6"
20:55 < BotoX> Mine's too.
20:55 < BotoX> No numpad :3
20:55 <@minus> a numpad is normal on those
20:55 < BotoX> My desktop keyboard doesn't have one either.
20:56 <@minus> extra keys to remap :3
20:56 < BotoX> and oh man these awful arrow keys.
20:57 < BotoX> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/DisplayPort
20:57 < BotoX> >Audio over DisplayPort when used in conjunction with a DisplayPort to HDMI conversion cable is confirmed to work on W500, T410 and T510 both on integrated and discrete graphics options on Windows systems. 
20:57 < BotoX> what?
20:58 <@matricks> display port has support for audio...
20:58 < BotoX> not on this laptop imo
20:59 < BotoX> or the PM44 chipset, blame whoever fucked it up - or disabled it
21:56 < Siile> anyone wanna betatest tee defence for few waves?
21:57 < Siile> server up and running
21:57 < Siile> Tee Defence Beta
22:58 < JulianAssange> http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/lamborghini-crashes-into-flinders-shop-20140329-35pz1.html