00:00 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah but community votes will be abused 00:00 < bridge_> [ddnet] i dunno if i'd like that 00:00 < bridge_> [ddnet] I have a distaste for things like a "testing team" :P 00:01 < bridge_> [ddnet] you still have people who oversee things, it wouldn't be total control 00:01 < bridge_> [ddnet] the biggest problem is, that the testing team would require novice, moderate, hard and insane players all in their "league/category" to be more precise 00:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] I think you only need one person around to veto "meme votes" but otherwise they do nothing 00:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] normally things just get voted on difficulty 00:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] you could also just analyze the gameplay 00:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] how long do teams require and how much finishes are made etc. 00:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] yes that's true 00:03 < bridge_> [ddnet] another thing we should do is make testing maps more mainstream, esp if we want average players to have some stake in how maps are rated / approved 00:03 < bridge_> [ddnet] this is ofc something I have always talked about but no one agrees with, so whatever lol 00:04 < bridge_> [ddnet] if you're worried about noobs having misinformed opinions about things we can add a points requirement, but then the accounts issue comes up again 00:06 < bridge_> [ddnet] or something like "x number of y maps completed in order to rate a map in y difficulty" 00:07 < bridge_> [ddnet] though I'm not really a fan of this because it would mean difficulty-limited players will cause maps to be under-rated 00:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] mm I just thought of a better system but it's hard to explain 00:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] dynamic rating? 😉 00:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] you would check clears around a voted difficulty and weight them based on closeness (to vote a map as brutal 1*, you would either need a few mod 5* clears or 1 brutal clear (some sort of quadratic score weighted towards the target difficulty) 00:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] yes exactly 00:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] you would check clears around a voted difficulty and weight them based on closeness (to vote a map as brutal 1\*, you would either need a few mod 5\* clears or 1 brutal clear (some sort of quadratic score weighted towards the target difficulty) 00:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] ah, I meant a different kind of dynamic rating 00:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] assign a score like 50 for exact rank and then decrease that score per map cleared away from the target 00:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] and make the req 50 00:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] huh, what's your idea 00:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] something similar to 1/number of finishes 00:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] oh weird 00:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] I think that would inflate unpopular maps and hurt the rank of popular ones 00:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] but maybe there's some compensation 00:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] my points system idea is the best anyway ;D 00:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] weight points based on difficulty + race time 00:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] total points would be weighed by your best ranks and farming would be much less effective 00:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] bad 00:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] separate points and rank points is better 00:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] farming is boring 00:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] I would rather spend my time improving 00:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] playing the same map 500x can be boring for some 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] doesn't necessarily mean that 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] remember that beating a map still awards base points 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] just clear more difficult maps 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] if your number one score is a moderate, beat a brutal 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] thats like osu pp system 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] yes 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] which isnt good 00:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] wrong 00:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] for ddrace 00:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] xd 00:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] I think it's better 00:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] top players are already really close together 00:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] points = played longer 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] having ur points get less and less large over time isnt too good i think 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] btw it wouldn't be exactly like osi 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] osu 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] just make some overall ranking system that combines points and times but leave it separate from points 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] all maps have value 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] just less value if it's novice 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah I mean there can be the existing system that's fine 00:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] just another system for new rank 00:23 < bridge_> [ddnet] but I don't really think it's important to distinguish them. just means your novice scores are worth less than brutals, which is already how it is, just more accurate in terms of your skill 00:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] but points doesnt rly measure skill it measures progress 00:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] idk 00:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] yes but we should have something that actually tracks skill, no? 00:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] I have very little interest in tracking my "progress" 00:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] just track skill based on what maps u can beat 00:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] plus for that to work u need huge map rerates anyways since a lot of things are too highly or lowly rated 00:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] think that's independent of that 00:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] plus I don't think it will happen anyway 00:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] same with accounts, been talked about too long and no progress 00:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] maybe someones "skill" rating would be like an avg of the hardest maps theyve done 00:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] plus their best times idk 00:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] I mean accounts is maybe going to change, idk 00:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] still talked about on GitHub 00:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] that's just the osu system u realize lol 00:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] but it doesn't have to be weighted as heavy as osu 00:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] osu is sooo heavy. you do noob maps and it doesn't do anything to your pp. I'm suggesting that all maps always continue to raise your score, just less the more difficult maps you have beaten. 00:28 < bridge_> [ddnet] since it should be as you say, an average of your best times/clears 00:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] I mean, rank is already like this (with times) but it doesn't do anything to incentivize clearing harder maps, just easy to optimize maps 00:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] i guess that would be a good way but its basically impossible since theres no standardized rating for ddnet 00:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] that's also fixable 00:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] and i wouldnt say that since harder maps have less ranks so its easy to get rpts 00:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] and its alr broken in osu where maps only have 3 elements, gl fixing it in ddrace 00:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] that's true but you can still do more moderate maps faster and see the same results 00:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] it doesn't really matter where you get rank 1, just depends on how easy it was to take, until someone beats it 00:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] it's also bad because it's based on absolute positioning, 1-10 00:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] when it should not be this way, especially for solo where there are many close times 00:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah the absolute position sucks 00:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] but what im saying is calculating someone's ddnet skill without seeing them play is very difficult 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] osu has the same issues 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] not possible to do it perfectly 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] not suggesting thag 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] that 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] just suggesting am improvement 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] sry I'm on mobile and ordering food so probably typos 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] someone can help me, i am working on a mod. i edited 2 files who give lovely effect (heart that fly above tee) then im trying to transform health to armor, the command work but he give health instead armor. the image is a part of code you can see "m_Type = POWERUP_ARMOR;" but that give heatlh 00:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838544335120629780/unknown.png 00:40 < bridge_> [ddnet] have u checked client side, if the client also gets it as armor 00:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] i think 00:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838545970458263592/2021-05-03_00-41-35.mp4 00:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] There is atleast a plan that more than one person agreed to in place now, so it's just finding someone to implement it 00:43 < bridge_> [ddnet] ok cool 00:43 < bridge_> [ddnet] Though I guess the safety of it kinda depends on @heinrich5991 getting QUIC in, so maybe it will take some time 😛 00:43 < bridge_> [ddnet] how would migration work? everyone would have to apply to convert a name to an account or would all accounts created from scratch stay that way? 00:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] my view on it: that discussion is so far away that it's not worth spending energy on 00:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] if you do want to spend energy on it, please head to github 00:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] your thoughts here will be forgotten 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3411 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah just getting an implementation made would be nice for now 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] i'd say check if that code is really called in the server 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] i dont see why the client should bug around for no reason 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] if you want see by yourself, i dont see any errors 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://github.com/Nouaaaa/Block 00:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] people who advocate for accounts have nothing to contribute on GitHub. just that they would prefer accounts. asking a bunch of people to just say "I like the idea" in a github comment is imo just noise and pointless 00:46 < bridge_> [ddnet] That's why we don't ask for that, we asked for technical feedback 00:46 < bridge_> [ddnet] talking about it on discord is important because if there's no pressure to implement it, who would even take the time? 00:47 < bridge_> [ddnet] the more it's not talked about the more no one will care to code it :P 00:47 < bridge_> [ddnet] And ideas on contentious points like migration 00:47 < bridge_> [ddnet] how can i check that? 00:47 < bridge_> [ddnet] set breakpoint inside that function 00:47 < bridge_> [ddnet] in the screenshot 00:47 < bridge_> [ddnet] we talked about it for months or maybe years before that issue was created, no one did it 😛 00:48 < bridge_> [ddnet] It's just that none of us seem to have time to implement it for now 00:50 < bridge_> [ddnet] I'm still working on https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3772 00:50 < bridge_> [ddnet] I still have some problems with the client 00:50 < bridge_> [ddnet] you can just do #3772 btw 00:50 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3772 00:51 < bridge_> [ddnet] currently, the client probes all four master server in a random order and takes the one with the smallest latency 00:51 < bridge_> [ddnet] maybe I should start a bounty for accounts ;D 00:51 < bridge_> [ddnet] the one with the smallest latency that also works 00:51 < bridge_> [ddnet] the problem I have with this is: what happens if one of them doesn't respond? 00:52 < bridge_> [ddnet] @lynn I wouldn't, this is one feature that is extremely contentious, with dozens of opinions around. You might not like the implementation we decide on, then you don't pay out the bounty then the guy gets mad. 00:52 < bridge_> [ddnet] I need some kind of timeout. but if I set it too strict, it will time out on legitimate connections, if I set it too coarse, it'll have a bad user experience if the first master that is probed times out 00:53 < bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 500ms max should be good enough for like everywhere no? 00:54 < bridge_> [ddnet] there would be very clear goals on the bounty, and it wouldn't cover all of the expectations after implementing the base of it 00:54 < bridge_> [ddnet] I get what you're saying 00:54 < bridge_> [ddnet] I think it can happen that the DNS response takes even longer tbh 00:54 < bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 Have we considered getting rid of this master1 master2 master3 master4 stuff and moving into the future? 😄 00:55 < bridge_> [ddnet] I want some redundnacy tbh 00:55 < bridge_> [ddnet] if you have a better solution for redundancy, go ahead 00:55 < bridge_> [ddnet] ok its fixed, i forgot to change "LoveEvent" to "ArmorEvent" lmao 00:56 < bridge_> [ddnet] 00:56 < bridge_> [ddnet] I was going to suggest one load balancing node where we could do things like geo-ip to give the best mirror 00:56 < bridge_> [ddnet] don't even need to do it with dns, we could do a 301 00:56 < bridge_> [ddnet] I'd like to avoid a single point of failure, one thing that can go down if cloudflare goes down, kicks us out, etc. 00:56 < bridge_> [ddnet] it's the thing that will make it impossible for players to play at all 00:57 < bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah, I noticed that too, the master%d scheme is more robust 00:57 < bridge_> [ddnet] Well if the dns response is taking more than 500ms the old system wouldn't have worked either 00:58 < bridge_> [ddnet] oh really? interesting 00:58 < bridge_> [ddnet] I mean it'd have to wait for the dns server to respond, if I remember the relevant part of the code 00:59 < bridge_> [ddnet] ah, it seems to simply wait DNS resolution out 01:00 < bridge_> [ddnet] anyway, interesting question about the UX though, maybe we can add a prettier loading indicator to fool the user 😛 01:01 < bridge_> [ddnet] anyway, that's good news, I don't need to think of something complicated 01:01 < bridge_> [ddnet] it's mostly a first launch issue anyway, the user won't be in the serverbrowser before I select the master I guess 01:04 < bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 well that's assuming they don't have an awful connection, if you assume that your initial issue isn't an issue at all :/ 01:06 < bridge_> [ddnet] I was thinking that I could choose a longer timeout on the basis that this is only bad UX on the first launch, and probably not even there, because the user will take a little time to get to the serverbrowser 01:07 < bridge_> [ddnet] e.g. 10s timeout 06:09 < bridge_> [ddnet] pro 06:11 < bridge_> [ddnet] but ugly 06:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] bcs i suck at designing buttons xd 06:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838629277796663346/color-slider_behaviors_range2x_4sMMTUwznSZFOc3x2HqUMh_1611634693000.png 06:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] copy one or something 06:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] they also ugly all xD 06:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 06:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] except the transparency effect 06:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] but too lazy too add that xd 06:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] we don't have transparency in skins tho 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] but in UI 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] ic 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838629753053380618/3aac188b4eb8871db63b9cda06d3768b.png 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] thats also the only one with it 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] circles in tw 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] thats impossible xd 06:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] make a rounded rect one then 06:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah 06:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] should probs do that xd 06:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] but you need to make the bar thinner for a button that sticks out. don't know if that looks good in teeworlds 06:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] AnTee-Aliasing 06:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838630637501546516/unknown.png 06:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: emm, i guess you should try making the bar thinner and get rid of the border 06:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] teeish or not it would probably be better than a border 06:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] Also why does Sat and lht has a dot but hue doesn't 06:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] not my fault xd 06:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] ikik, just saying. 06:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] teeworlds logics xxd 06:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] at least is it better than not having them aligned 06:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838631608915066900/unknown.png 06:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838631659406491698/unknown.png 06:23 < bridge_> [ddnet] that looks pretty good ngl 06:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] even thiner 06:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838632354125316126/unknown.png 06:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] cool 06:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] k i'll push it and if somebody asks, ur fault xd 06:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 06:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] let me save your original screenshot so I can have a chance of defending myself 06:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] xD 06:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6654924/116841844-b56d6e00-abda-11eb-8d04-50eb0b371991.png 06:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] color range was still wrong xd 06:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] now its fixed 07:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] chinese coders' nightmare. 07:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838643756852183042/unknown.png 07:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] what is it, i dont get it xd 07:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] chinese semicolon 07:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] ah xXD 07:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] i keep forget to turn my IME off 07:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] why are there even two versions xD 07:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] i guess our is blocky 07:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838645060148527154/unknown.png 07:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] there are no spaces in both 07:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] ah 07:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] border is better, easier to see 07:43 < bridge_> [ddnet] when the position is 0 or 100% its incredibly hard to see 07:43 < bridge_> [ddnet] when the position is 0 or 100% without a border its incredibly hard to see 07:51 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 07:53 < bridge_> [ddnet] That's pretty good 08:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] bugged team state gives you white ninja 08:12 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838659371864424448/unknown.png 08:13 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838659394371059722/unknown.png 08:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] so you prefer like dis @lynn ? 08:16 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838660181171634196/unknown.png 08:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] that's a bit better but why so thin? it should at least stand out in the UI (make the border color something other than black) 08:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] it blocks other colors then 08:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] transparent border 08:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 08:18 < bridge_> [ddnet] what? the border already blocks the colors 08:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] if you mean the base, then yeah just transparent 08:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] you wanted border xd 08:19 < bridge_> [ddnet] do we really need bar's border tho 08:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] I don't think blocking the other colors will be an issue, if you want a neighboring color the border/slide size will always block it by some amount 08:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] so no border for the bar 08:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] but for the whole color bar? 08:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] or what is bar 08:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] bar = picker? 08:20 < bridge_> [ddnet] bar = the thicc horizontal colorful rect. 08:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] that is under the button. which is what i've been calling it. 08:21 < bridge_> [ddnet] the slide line should be at least 32px imo, transparent with a lighter border (probably white) 08:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] then you could see it 08:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] white is evil 08:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] i think teeworlds uses transparent black all over 08:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] also depends on ur background color anyway 08:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] all backgrounds are darkened 08:22 < bridge_> [ddnet] no matter what color you pick 08:23 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838661936173285396/unknown.png 08:23 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 08:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] maybe just make it wider and fill with the active color if it has to be black 08:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] that would still have more contrast with white btw, that screenshot 08:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] so u want border for the bar 08:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] or just for the picker 08:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838662545907646474/unknown.png 08:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] awesome 08:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] thicker picker? 08:25 < bridge_> [ddnet] much better 08:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] sry just I get in trouble at work if things are not contrast appropriate xD 08:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] can't border be transparent tho? 08:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] been doin this shit for a year straight 08:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] what border 08:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] that would be ugly af 08:26 < bridge_> [ddnet] actually you know what 08:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] can't the pure black be a little bit transparent 08:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] ok 08:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] give me a number between 0.0 and 1.0 08:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] u only have 1 try xd 08:27 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 08:28 < bridge_> [ddnet] 0.7 opacity 08:28 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838663374782201896/unknown.png 08:28 < bridge_> [ddnet] 0.7 08:28 < bridge_> [ddnet] the entire bar should have a border bte 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] i had a border 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] because on the left there is a border 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] but teeworlds has transparent in 0.25 steps all over 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] bar should have no border said freddie 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] Freddie is insane 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] 0.75 looks pretty much same 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] 0.5 looks bad xd 08:29 < bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: rq 08:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] consistent design standards. if the left color has border, so do the bars. 08:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] idk just makes sense to me 08:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838663835430813766/unknown.png 08:30 < bridge_> [ddnet] border 08:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] looks good, but maybe the border of the slide lines should be inset in the outer border? 08:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] not sure how that would look but this looks good 08:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 08:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] ts freddie is sad tho 08:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] sorry I hurt your feelings 08:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] can I checkout the branch and try something 08:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] if you want to use that border width though I could recommend thinning the selected color border on the left to match. 08:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] overlapping borders 08:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838664335718481930/unknown.png 08:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] and if there are other border controls elsewhere those should also match 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] what other 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] @TsFreddie sure u can 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] want me to push the current change? 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] is the outside less rounded than the inside? it's hard to tell but it sorta looks like that 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] I think this tho 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] the picker should be same 08:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] the color range has no border 08:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] round 08:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] but the color range border has a round border xd 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] so thicker border needs more rounding ok 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] try ~5000 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838665016726650950/unknown.png 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] it looks like in that screenshot that the outside of the slide line is less round than the inside 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] better I think? 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] bcs the outer needs a bigger rounding radius to match 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] ahhh 08:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] what toolkit does this? 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] teeworlds 2007 toolkit 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] ahh 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] that makes sense rhoy 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] teeworlds does think brokenly 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] tho 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] things* 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] I g2g for now but ye the weird px difference is the only thing 08:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] looks p good tho 08:37 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838665489424056350/unknown.png 08:37 < bridge_> [ddnet] now radius should match xd 08:37 < bridge_> [ddnet] @TsFreddie 08:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] emm 08:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] sure i guess? 08:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] ok 08:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] done 08:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] i already checked out the branch and see if i can make it a little bit less blacky 08:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] ok i'm dumb 08:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] teeworlds never uses 0,0,0 it was always 1,1,1. 08:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] everything is white yeah 08:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] evil 08:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] xd 08:54 < bridge_> [ddnet] nope, listbox's background is black 08:55 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah 09:09 < bridge_> [ddnet] There is a bug with "/ Swap" that when you change with someone all the switches are reset, all the doors are closed and because of this we are left with fewer chances to survive and we die ... I don't think you can give a reward because We lost 180 minutes of racing for this bug but I will still ask, is there a possibility of rewarding this? 09:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] was it duo? 09:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] not duo 09:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] have u tried /save /load 09:10 < bridge_> [ddnet] maybe its not buggy for all 09:11 < bridge_> [ddnet] no, cuz we still have chances for go to other way but harder 09:11 < bridge_> [ddnet] so we try it 09:11 < bridge_> [ddnet] and fail 09:14 < bridge_> [ddnet] is indeed buggy 09:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] @deen why isnt swap just actually implemented like timeout 09:15 < bridge_> [ddnet] then these things wouldnt happen i guess 09:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] @deen ^ 09:17 < bridge_> [ddnet] why isnt swap just actually implemented like timeout 09:24 < bridge_> [ddnet] then it also wouldnt swap weak with the player 09:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] ./r reset switches too, in some cases you can fail cuz this 09:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] good to know, but /r isnt as relevant probably 09:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] swap happens during actual runs 09:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah 09:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] but i hope can fix too 09:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] cuz already happens to me and lost hours of playing 09:40 < bridge_> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ i don't know 10:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] I can't 10:02 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838686844949364756/unknown.png 10:03 < bridge_> [ddnet] what did you do, set more transparency? 😄 10:04 < bridge_> [ddnet] i tried to slice the slider border into three parts where top and bottom matches the rail border and a middle part that does `ColorRGBA{pColorInner->r * 0.5f, pColorInner->g * 0.5f, pColorInner->b * 0.5f, 1.0f}` 10:05 < bridge_> [ddnet] also copied alphas from other parts of teeworlds like listbox and buttons but that didn't matter too much. 10:06 < bridge_> [ddnet] :nouis: why do i even care tho. pure black works i guess. 10:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] Do we have luminance calculation lying around somewhere? 10:31 < bridge_> [ddnet] for what isntance? 10:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] transparent border has way too much contrast around blue and a little bit less contrast around yellow 10:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] i'm doing this currently ``` 10:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] float Lumen = mix(0.5f, 0.8f, 1.0f - (0.2126f * pColorInner->r + 0.7152f * pColorInner->g + 0.0722f * pColorInner->b)); 10:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] float Alpha = clamp((pColorInner->a - 0.5f) / 0.5f, 0.0f, 1.0f); 10:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] RenderTools()->DrawUIRect(&Slider, ColorRGBA{pColorInner->r * Lumen, pColorInner->g * Lumen, pColorInner->b * Lumen, Alpha}, 0, 0); 10:32 < bridge_> [ddnet] ``` 10:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] I dropped a comment on your pr, but I'll say it here too. I don't think reintroducing the sliders is the best idea 10:33 < bridge_> [ddnet] i answered already 10:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] @TsFreddie i dunno, but isnt that happening on the GPu anyway 10:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] are you thinking about gamma or something 10:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] i'm not submitting anything either, i'm just having fun 10:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah its ok 10:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ it sure looks pretty but there will be dozens of them in settings 10:34 < bridge_> [ddnet] i just dont understand what you hope to get with that calculation 😄 10:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] nono, i am for 2 color pickers 10:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] this one has a special use case 10:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] clamped HSL 10:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] the others are easier to use 10:35 < bridge_> [ddnet] eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh 😄 10:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] u cannot clamp light in these easy to use color pickers 10:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] see all implementations of gimp, the triangle and the default are best 10:36 < bridge_> [ddnet] and both wouldnt work with clamped light 10:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] Well as long as you have one grid and one slider you can access any hsl value. Leave the L to the slider and you can clamp it however you want 10:38 < bridge_> [ddnet] HSL is just a double hexcone, we can slice it however we want 10:39 < bridge_> [ddnet] don't know if the difference is obvious 10:39 < bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/838696200605663232/unknown.png 10:39 < bridge_> [ddnet] so you'd prefer to add all colors + saturation into the picker? 10:39 < bridge_> [ddnet] iirc photoshop puts H on the slider, even then you can clamp the L 10:39 < bridge_> [ddnet] well just show me an example, i cannot even imagine it tbh 10:40 < bridge_> [ddnet] blows my mind to have so many colors on the grid xd 10:40 < bridge_> [ddnet] i see a difference yeah, you only wanted it for the picker? 10:41 < bridge_> [ddnet] H and S on the picker (a circle would work well) L on the slider is what I'd do 10:41 < bridge_> [ddnet] so i asked if we had that already 10:41 < bridge_> [ddnet] but the current one has S and V on the grid (square) and H on the slider. Why do you think we can't clamp the L like this? 10:41 < bridge_> [ddnet] i saw a HSL circle but doesnt look as good as the triangle circle thing or the default in gimp 10:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] bcs saturation depends on the light inside the grid? 10:42 < bridge_> [ddnet] uh? I mean there is two axes to the grid, one is L one is S. Each point has a unique S and L value 10:43 < bridge_> [ddnet] mh ok 10:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] Actually gimp seems to have exactly what I said 10:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] thought 0.5 light or smth is the default so wasnt sure, thought HSL just uses other notation 10:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] Ah, you can change what kind of picker gimp uses 10:44 < bridge_> [ddnet] yeah 10:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] On the grid one, I think the one with an H slider looks the nicest, which is what we have right now (though V instead of L, which I don't remember why the russian lad did) 10:45 < bridge_> [ddnet] well probs im wrong then 10:45 < bridge_> [ddnet]