00:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice, finally i can see how good newer hardware compares to mine 😄 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] interesting results already, 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] rtx 2080 ti beats my gpu by factor 2 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] there is also an AMD laptop benchmark: 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2102211-PTS-XONOTICD79 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] Opengl 3.3 is slightly slower than 3.0 there 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] For me its the opposite: 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2103154-HA-JVEGA64RY23,2103152-HA-JVEGA64RY92 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] would love to see GTX 1080 TI(bcs my GPU was released as a competitor against that) 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] 04:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] and ofc i'd love too see the current top high end cards 😄 06:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut the values only changed to me after trying to do anything with dummy, like changing skin and other things 06:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] then entire config gets messed up 07:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks, will look into it 07:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut does the bug occur to you too? 07:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll be on my pc soon 07:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I hope so 07:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] then I could fix it 07:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] And I can imagine it happening with dummy skin, I had a bug there before, fixed it, and if its broken after a big master update again that would make sense 08:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thanks that you responded, it does. 08:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] does it like randomize the skin or something? 08:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] when you are trying to change one skin part 08:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, im trying to find the issue right now 08:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i remember that they added a skin randomizer recently to vanilla and maybe that could cause it 08:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] nop 08:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm, cant find the issue that quickly 08:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] need to do something else first. will look into it later again.. 10:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow such low fps 10:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] i get 1500 on my rx580 lmfao 10:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] at that specific benchmark? its pretty GPU intensive 10:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] why even becnhmark teeworlds tho... 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] like 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] who tf needs more than 240fps 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] cant play with 240 fps xD 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] me 10:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] also its not so much about fps, but also about frame times, which make the game feel very smooth 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] I know 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] but like let me guess most of the people here dont have more than 144hz 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, but if you dont play with gsync or freesync, then you should have more FPS than ur monitor can output 10:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1600fps and 0.5ms frame times that is what I have 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean sure but 1500 fps and 500 dont make a difference lmfao 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd say > 1000 its pretty stable xd 10:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] i will cap my fps and see the difference 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] bet its not even noticable 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] also unless you play on a 2004 xp machine you will get more than 200fps 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] i notice < 1000 fps 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] do u have a 144hz 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] nah but I know how this works 10:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] i play on 60hz 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] also the sense of benchmarking is more, too compare hardware 😄 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] with entities and without health HUD, i get 10000fps 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/821319403353145364/unknown.png 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/821319473529225246/unknown.png 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] teeworlds isnt really the best game to compare hardware lol 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] depends 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] bruh 10:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 10:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] in the end usage is usage, just bcs u might not use specific pipeline features, doesnt mean it doesnt mean anything 10:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] my benchmark wouldnt be fricking teeworlds lmfao 10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] many cpu benchmarks also just test a single thing 10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] sure id do it for fun but for actual results nah 10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] openbenchmark is a collection of different benchmarks 10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] so it makes sense imo 10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] sure ig, just not worth it if you wanna get actual results on how your pc performs 10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] again, depends on what u do on ur cpu 10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] its like u say ARM sucks, because x86 has stronger floating point calculations 10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] but youtube doesnt care about floating point performance 10:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] dude 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] im just saying 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] benchmarking teeworlds for actual results 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] is not really efficient 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] id benchmark something else 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i say its part of a collection of benchmarks 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] which then makes sense 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i said this 10:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u have a GPU that rules everything but sucks in teeworlds, it still shows there is smth wrong 10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] does such gpu even exist lol 10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/821060495301673041/screenshot-20210315174106.png 10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] why does rtx 2080 super have so bad fps?= 10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] it could be a bug in the driver, or smth similar 10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] just the driver, its more than obvious id say 10:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] so it was useful it was tested 10:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmfao 10:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] i suppose so but still, there would be something way more convinient than checking/doing teeworlds benchmarks 10:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] well then think what u want 10:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 10:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] its true 10:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] give me a mathematical proof and i believe u 10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] what do you mean, what equation should I do xD 10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] that teeworlds benchmark is not useful 10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] proof that fact based 10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1. teeworld is so unpopular no one would even check that first 10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] 2. you could do any other opengl benchmark to check for drivers issues 10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am not saying you should not do the benchmarks, you can, I couldn't care less 10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you do it just to collect more info into a database and compare then that's on you 10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am saying in reality it won't be really applicable universally 10:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] unless you want to check for specific issues with the game 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] i still disagree, i'm ok with you calling it more unefficient then doing other designed benchmarks, but in the end its just an addition, it doesnt need to be used, but it can 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then you agree with me that is exactly what I said 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's just an addition you can do it 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] . 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] . 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] that 11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's cool, as I said it just won't be as good as other more popular efficient becnhmarks just like you said 11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] just as you could not use other benchmarks 😉 11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] hm? 11:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] as i said, it depends on what u want to know 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] and I said that too 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] . 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] like this 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] then the benchmark is useful 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] its nice that u said that, i said that from the beginning, when you said it is not useful 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] this convo feels worthelss 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] less 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] no conversation is worthless, it might be pointless but not worthless 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] well yea 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] pointless then 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] but isnt something pointless also worthless? 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] no lol 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] worthless adj (without value) 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] pointless adj (without use, goal) 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] working 100 hours for a dollar is pointless but not worthless 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] because the dollar is worth something 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] your dignity and 100 hours ;D 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 11:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 are u here 11:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] can you quote it? I mightve missed it 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] read from here 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 i insert the size of the vector beforehand 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] and when unpacking i get it first 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it wrong? 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] or what do u mean 11:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] I said no as in it is a useless benchmark outside of super specific areas, as a general benchmark it is useless 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] "useless" 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] dont lie, i said "depends" u said "bruh no" 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I am not lying 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] also getting a bit passively agressive, bud? 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] this discussion is over, i stay to facts. 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is a max packet size, beyond that you need to chop it up 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] well i dont check that 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] hmm 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Calm down man, no need to get pissed just because someone is saying something else different from your own opinion 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] So for a proper VLA your pr looks too simple :D 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] its fine as long as it stays within the max packet size right 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] and we both share the same facts -- you got what I said wrong 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 how could i check that? 11:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Um, the packer has a size method 11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean maybe chopping is easy but what about the remaining data xd 11:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Chopping is not trivial 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] well if the object within has variables with non defined sizes yeah i guess 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Even with defined sizes it's not that easy 11:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] You need to modify the client to hold back incomplete chunks 11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] rip 11:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or you can maybe do template magic to generate a _MORE packet 11:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 are cnetmsgs put together in one big buffer or are they sent one by one 11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] They are put together 11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 11:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] What we call messages are in CNetChunks which we pack together to get a CNetPacket 11:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 11:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] If your chunk is larger than how large a packet can be - the header overhead, it'll never fit in a packet 11:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dunno what happens then :P 11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean, we can make it so that a single netobjects never goes beyond x packet size 11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] and then if it cant fit in the current packet 11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] put it at the start 11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] of the next 11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] ez 11:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yes, but then how useful is this feature 11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah not as useful 11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, I'm not sure. I'll let other people comment on it too 11:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wanted to do something like this too to get rid of the chunking logic we have sprinkled around the code 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like votes, rcon commands, chat commands 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] But I never figured out how to chunk it in a pretty way :P 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 sometimes gets good ideas for this protocol stuff 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ any idea about this? https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/4366772972649191150/?tscn=1615868366 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] game freezes totally, but gfx_opengl_major 1 didn't help 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] Connection problems doesn’t sound like a gfx issue, no? 13:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] wasnt that the intel driver bug we talked for around half a year now xd 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] i'd love to know of older clients work 100% without the crash while, the newer dont work with gfx_opengl_major 1 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] bcs if so, it must be some patch between these versions. 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Else it could still be a windows update or smth similar 13:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i'm pretty sure the gl 1.x renderer itself didnt add any feature it didnt have before 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] i only added the fallback code, but it only does stuff for >= gl 2.x 13:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1.x is the absolute basic, it disables everything and does nothing special 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe a SDL thing that only triggers on intel platforms, or GLEW loading something intels dont like or smth 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] would be easier to say if older clients actually dont have problems at all :/ 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i also dont even know if the newest intel driver now actually works 13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah and also, the question is, if he restarted the client after entering the command 13:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] u always have to assume the ppl do it exactly as you dont want them todo xd 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] :ddnet: Suggestion:ddnet: new system messages (see the image) 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1 -hold "u" (show chat) for see it to not coverage the screen when you play 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] 2-putting images for every effects like ,unhammer,endless etc... until the save if you have one 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/821386034204901396/sm.png 15:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I like the idea of having status symbols for your current endless hook, etc. state 🙂 15:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] we might even have an issue for that already 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] ravie even drew icons 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] ravie even had drawn icons 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't understand (1). do you mean we should remove system messages from the chat display when pressing u? 15:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] u is already binded to show chat 15:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] bound* 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean put system message above the chat no inside 15:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah. my first instinct tells me that I wouldn't like that, because those messages usually have an ordering related to chat messages 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] e.g. bye xyz, *** xyz has left the game 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] we alr have an issue for the icons 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes i say this message like this leave it in chat 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe put server messages like ***you are in a solo part under the icoins in the top left 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, at that point you'd probably remove the solo part messages and only show the icons 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] i said this too 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] m but new players might not know what the icons mean 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] for first 5 second 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] also for ppl who dont want the icons u still need the messages 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] my plan is make division system message 3 parts 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1-2-3 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] we can leave the old system message like old chat 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] go click f3 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] having 3 different sections on one side of the screen is messy 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] and if the /top5 and /points stuff is changed then might as well make an actual UI for it rather than keep it in the ugly chat form 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's now in one side (in chat) i want fix the messy 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can do this too not nesscary do what i say Literally 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] place for top5,rank ... 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] and place for left game... 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] and place for effect icons 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 actually, since various netmsgs are packed in a same packet we can do variable arrays in a different way tamimg that into account:for example if the player requests top x ranks via the protocol, make that netmsg have a response id, then the server sends x netmsg each having the info about 1 rank + the response id 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] + a way to know the total amount of ranks 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] The ranks is an example to understand it easier 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Writing a wall of text on mobile sucks 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 actually, since various netmsgs are packed in a same packet we can do variable arrays in a different way taking that into account:for example if the player requests top x ranks via the protocol, make that netmsg have a response id, then the server sends x netmsg each having the info about 1 rank + the response id 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I was thinking of abusing the chunking too. I'm not sure how to make either side pretty like that though 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ideally it shouldnt look any different to sending or receiving any single message 15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] we can do both things putting icons and writing in chat (solo,unhammer... 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] We so need an introduction for the UI 16:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is it possible to translate system messages to another language? 16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] no. there's an issue about that 16:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3091 16:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] @murpi can you explain what you need it for, right now? 16:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh ok 16:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/821400257929805884/pointsdisplaytest.png 16:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've been playing alot on asia lately and I feel like people don't understund the system messages very well, like jetpack and such 16:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe doing `/points player` could bring up a display like that 16:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] huh, I like it 😄 @louis 16:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] the only issue i see is that it wouldnt be serverwide anymore 16:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 16:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] with a new scoreboard we could show the points count of every player at all times 16:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] 💯 16:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks for creating an issue 🙂 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wanted to create a second scoreboard with ranks and such 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hence my pe abour VLA 16:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Pr 16:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I want to transmit that stuff out of the protocol tbf 16:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] We'd need to add so many new messages and stuff. I wanted to just query `https://info.ddnet.tw/mapinfo?name=` to get a json with all the relevant stuff 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] this would make it main-ddnet-servers only feature, I wouldn't like that 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then someone else will have to do it. I don't have it in me to do yet another ad hoc implementation of chunking for both top5, points, leaderboard, regional leaderboard and whatever else we decide we want in the new scoreboard page 16:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] + it's just asking for something to go wrong, I'm okay with not being the one that wrote the scoreboard that broke ddnet by flooding connections or finally made the networking code not performant enough to push out all the chunks 16:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] we had it with votes and rcon before, not sure how much more we can throttle, rcon completions already arrive at a snails pace 16:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ah and a mapchange will definitely timeout everyone logged into rcon without throttling for this stuff 17:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh yeah why do rcon completions appear so slow 17:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Because the protocol is just not made for this kind of bulk information sending 17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] all continents except europe start with a 17:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] (or eurasia) 17:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] and end with a too :p 17:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh well i guess north/south america technically starts with n/s 17:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Continent 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] m i was taught that north america and south america are 2 separate continents 17:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] according to wikipedia, there are anywhere between 7 and 4 continents 😉 18:27 <+Davide> @deen, why the heartbeats requests is in UDP and not TCP? 18:28 <+Davide> I am having trouble creating a reliable filter for the UDP packets due to the fact that I break heartbeat requests by doing so, would it be possible to use a different port for heartbeat or send it in TCP? 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] the heartbeats require the same UDP port that connecting players use 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you can't receive heartbeats, players can likely not connect to you 18:33 <+Davide> Yes they can. 18:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] in what way do you distinguish between players and the heartbeats? 18:36 <+Davide> [2021-03-16 18:35:35][register]: WARNING: No master servers. Retrying in 60 seconds 18:36 <+Davide> IP: 45.141.57.5:27777 18:36 <+Davide> No heartbeats but I can join and play without problems 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] what kind of filter do you use? 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] why does it filter the heartbeat packets specifically? 18:37 <+Davide> Because apparently there are types of attacks that use the same traffic as heartbeats 18:37 <+Davide> I'm using my own filters + voxility 18:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] so you can't control the filter. maybe contact voxility that they block your packets 18:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] (in the future, we might have HTTPS masters, but even these will likely still check for UDP connectivity with your server) 18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can't connect to your server btw 18:39 <+Davide> Voxility cannot "whitelist" those packets because they are similar to an attack that can cause problems 18:40 <+Davide> @heinrich5991 it is strange, I'm in the server currently 18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] heartbeat packets can be distinguished by being outgoing from your server 18:41 <+Davide> Voxility doesn't check the outbound traffic unfortunately 18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean it’s completely reasonable that you can join if their automatic rule is fw** 18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] (I can't join) 18:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Good thing we never tried voxillity. Massive links but as with all other providers apparently they’ll protect themselves even if you are within the limits of your link 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its cheaper to get rid of us 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is this not some sort of fraud btw? I guess they bury it somewhere in the contract that they can actually limit the link however they want fuck you? 18:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] "[...] reserves the right to filter to protect the network [...]", probably 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Such silliness. Here you go a 10g link, but you can only use as much as we feel like 18:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] When are we getting our own backbone link and datacenter? ;P 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, Davide if you want your server to appear on the masterserver list it needs to reply to heartbeats, no way around it 18:46 <+Davide> Okay 18:49 <+Davide> @heinrich5991 can you try here 45.141.57.6:3000 ? 18:49 <+Davide> If you can join now 18:56 <+Davide> However yes, an https heartbeats would be best 18:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] but that's only for the far future 18:56 <+Davide> Rip 18:57 <+Davide> [2021-03-16 18:56:29][register]: WARNING: No master servers. Retrying in 60 seconds 18:57 <+Davide> Connection with players possible but heartbeats no 18:57 <+Davide> xD 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] No master servers suggests that either your `cou2`s or the servers `siz2`s don't make it through 19:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think it's the heartbeats since you don't even start sending beats until you choose a master 19:02 <+Davide> Mmm, that's probably true, what kind of method do you use to choose the server? 19:02 <+Davide> Ping? (I don't think) 19:04 <+Davide> https://sc.lowhosting.org/itAAMzMqwLJr all seems fine with pings 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] We do `cou2` (get count) to all masters, we get `siz2` (count) from the masters, after a timeout or if we get all counts we pick the one with the least count, then you start sending `bea2` (heartbeats) periodically 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] in that stage we're happy if we receive any answer at all 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] The master server will reply with a `fw??`, the server should reply with `fw!!`, if your `fw!!` gets through you'll get a `fwok` if it doesn't you'll get a `fwer` 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you'd gotten to the fw check stage you'd get a port forwarding error or if you never get the fw?? a "switching master" 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmk the ip of your server and I can tcpdump on the master to see if your cou2s are getting through 19:09 <+Davide> Is there a way to force the server "selection" and go with a statically chosen server? (maybe from the config) 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] (but I'd guess that is highly unlikely to be the issue and it's most likely an issue with "siz2" never making it through voxility's filter) 19:10 <+Davide> The outgoing bandwidth is not managed by Voxility but by me, so the packet comes to you for sure, the problem is the answer from you to me 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't actually know if you can force the server to use a master, masters.cfg is such a stupid file that I ended up just modifying the register code 19:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 you've been looking at the register code too, do you know how to force a master? 19:14 <+Davide> http://sc.lowhosting.org/CdOlroXROnRJ 19:14 <+Davide> This is the packet that Voxility filter 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, that's part of the register process so if you never receive that it won't work 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can ask them to maybe whitelist it from the ip of the master you choose? 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or you can try modifying the register code to skip the count check 19:16 <+Davide> Unfortunately Voxility has no Whitelist for IP due to the possibility of spoofing 19:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] FWIW their filter is breaking, it's their fault. I can only tell you the facts 😛 19:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] what's wrong with that packet? 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] (honestly it's quite silly too, it's like filtering out SYN and saying it mitigates attacks, filtering all legitimate traffic will indeed stop an attack lol) 19:20 <+Davide> Voxility is a strange scrubbing provider, I already know that, but it is one of the only ones that can counter truly gigantic attacks 19:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] They seem to "counter" it by blocking legit traffic, any hoster can do that. Try Linode they'll null route you even, 100% solution to all attacks 19:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Voxility's smart firewall or "smart" network engineers think it's an attack 19:21 <+Davide> Hahaha, btw the server is playable. 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] For now. Next time you'll get an attack that's part of the core protocol and it won't work anymore 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Back at nfoservers they had to remove an automated rule like that all the time for us 19:28 <+Davide> All the rules are active, if I receive an attack nothing change 19:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't get it is this rule against siz2 not something they added because of an attack? 19:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's an essential part of teeworlds protocol, it's like blocking all SYNs because people do SYN Flooding. That's silly imo 19:30 <+Davide> No, it has always been blocked 19:30 <+Davide> It is not something due to an attack 19:31 <+Davide> It seems that Voxility has always seen this as illegitimate traffic 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd guess it's a reaction to a reflection attack against someone else. They don't randomly make rules like this 19:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Letting them know it's legitimate traffic is all you can do 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] imagine world where edge routers of all autonomous systems are configured correctly so no packets with spoofed source IP can reach the global internet 😄 19:43 <+Davide> I would say it is an almost impossible hope: D 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe IPv6 is the way because many "admins" refuse to use it 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] Isps*? 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 you can force a master by making all the other masters point to non-functional addresses 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/821484860446998588/unknown.png 21:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Dark theme for TWs? 21:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] what's that? 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] another theme for github 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont like it 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] i prefer the dark one 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/settings/appearance 21:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] (you need to enable feature preview) 21:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://system76.com/laptops/pangolin?its-the-same-url-but-the-content-has-changed-thank-you 22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Operating System 22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] 22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Pop!_OS 20.10 (64-bit), Pop!_OS 20.04 LTS (64-bit), or Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (64-bit) 22:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] +100 for this 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://jdk.java.net/16/ 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] java 16 is out 22:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 22:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Possible to block some hooklines from some players? 22:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Its annoying if they run always with the hookline 22:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Possible to block hooklines from some players? 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] cl_show_hook_coll_other 2 but that affects all 22:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] cl_show_hook_coll_other 0 but that affects all 22:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] Possible to add like block emotes ? 22:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ not the Intel problem, he has an AMD CPU, so I really doubt he has Intel graphics: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/4366772972649191150/?tscn=1615920752