08:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Was hoping those commits would be squashed 😅 I've figured out the CLang-Format integration so that shouldn't be a thing going forward. 09:21 <@deen> Yeah, I could have squashed it 10:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe do something about this 😄 10:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818771118566801408/unknown.png 10:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] @I.K.U should be fixed in nightly already 10:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <_Lara_> @DDNet I lav yu 13:27 < fdgdf> sdf 13:27 < fdgdf> sdfsd 13:27 < fdgdf> fsd 13:27 < fdgdf> f 13:27 < fdgdf> sdf 13:27 < fdgdf> sd 13:27 < fdgdf> fsd 13:28 < dfgdf> fg 13:28 < dfgdf> fg 13:28 < dfgdf> fg 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+ChillerDragon> please do not 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> jtj 13:28 <+dfgdf> yyyyyyyyyy 13:28 <+dfgdf> k 13:28 <+dfgdf> g 13:28 <+dfgdf> hj 13:29 <+dfgdf> gh 13:29 <+dfgdf> j 13:29 <+dfgdf> hgj 13:29 <+dfgdf> gh 13:29 <+dfgdf> j 13:29 <+dfgdf> wtasf 13:29 <+dfgdf> saf 13:29 <+dfgdf> sad 13:29 <+dfgdf> sd 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] the bot is hackin :justatest: 14:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] ugly (top3) twice 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] put (top) for one server or Collect them and put it (top) for both server :fury: 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818849302381199430/unknown.png 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Zodiac congratulations on your first controversial pull request 15:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 haha thanks 😄 I did try it on GER servers and the duplication was noticeable. 15:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Good point, there might be improvements that could be made for repeats. I'll look into it. 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😊 ✌️ 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] 👍 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I suggest you give it a couple more days. People usually get used to things in that timeframe 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Zodiac maybe we can even combine it in one list? Show the top 3 global players, followed by the next 2 best ranks from current server (but might be too confusing) 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Then it would usually look as before on GER, but would still show the best players on other locations 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll sit on it for a bit but there might be tweaks that could be made. @deen suggestion might solve for both. By using the global list but giving space to highlight where the top locals are in the global list 15:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] How about top5 global followed by top3 local unless the local times are duplicate 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, something like that. Just can't take too much space. The above is about the limit 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Zodiac you could look into a ui change too. We've been looking into decreasing the use of server messages for a while now. Maybe a good idea to move this into it's own ui maybe next to the scoreboard or as a second tab to the scoreboard? 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or a replacement for the very meh hud element we have on the bottom right? 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] even at 16:10 I don't think we have space next to scoreboard 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] especially now that @Jupstar ✪ might it wider 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] A small widget - especially if it is temporary - would work. Just don't ask me to do it 😄 I am terrible with UI dev. 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] A small widget - especially if it is temporary - could work. Just don't ask me to do it 😄 I am terrible with UI dev. 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Something like a second page on the scoreboard maybe? 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Only saw the lengthy debate on general now. Does seem like some changes are needed. 17:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Okay, in the interest of time. I thought the quickest fix would be to only show the local section if none of the top times are relevant to the region. 17:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] If any matches were found 17:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818878595380412477/unknown.png 17:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] No matches found 17:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818879166665195520/unknown.png 17:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] If any duplicates were found between global and local 17:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818878595380412477/unknown.png 17:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] No duplicates found 17:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818879166665195520/unknown.png 17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddrace scoreboard is ugly anyway xd 17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] fng best 17:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818887677981097994/screenshot_2021-03-09_17-46-48.png 17:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] /ctrl c, /ctrl v - problem solved 😄 17:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/raycar5/logicsim :poggers: 18:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] what mean ZAF? 18:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] south africa 18:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] 7 18:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think (global) it's enough alone 18:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i play in all servers why should be care about top in south africa or anyplace 18:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] The recent change in the feature will mean nothing will change for you then. It is for those communities you don't care about and for them to see their peers time. 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] These servers being: 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - KOR 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - CHL 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - USA 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - ARG 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - CAN 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - POL 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - SGP 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - TUR 18:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] - ZAF 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] - IRN 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not chl 18:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] feature is so good but need new command 18:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is a potential update incoming - will see how that is received. 18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just add new command and it will be fine 18:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Noone will complain about it with new command 18:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, it is possible a new command will solve it. However, vast majority of the complaints are people who play on the GER servers and/or compete on a global level. The potential update will mean that for those communities it will only show the global ranks i.e. act in the same way as it currently does. 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <> top5 shows only top3? 18:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <> @Zodiac 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ I am aware of the complaint. I have addressed it in detail here: 18:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/818862021583962172 18:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is a change pending that will mean that the local ranks aren't shown when there are duplicates i.e. GER servers will never see the local ranks 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is a change pending that will mean that the local ranks aren't shown when there are duplicates i.e. GER servers will likely never see the local ranks 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Noone will complain about a new command because no one will use it... 19:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] We have so many unused features because of this 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] but they would use it if it was a good command 19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not if they never even hear about it 19:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] others would tell them its a good command 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] We need to have good defaults and not rely on word of mouth to get everyone to learn about a feature 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] This mindset of assuming everyone has to become a poweruser is why new players look at the game play a bit and just disappear 19:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] but is it a good default if most dont like it 19:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do most not like it or do the people that don't like it shout way too loud? 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's why I like to give these kinds of changes a couple days to see how the wide community receives it and not just the 4 people on discord that are already against any change anyway 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 do u go to multeasymap servers asking if ppl like x feature? 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 19:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] here is where the most active members are 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] i think its normal to respect their opinions 19:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Most don't really have opinions past "don't change" anyway. So it's better to be conservative 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] If they care to make actual arguments once in a blue moon ofc it's worth listening to 19:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could do a vote in announcement like deen did a couple times 19:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Could, but why bother, we all know this change needs a bit of fixing and it'll get it. After we like how it ends up then we can get a vote on it if people still claim it's the worst thing ever 19:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] why not make the changes before puting it on the srv 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats why people dont like changes at all then 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki ofc it is important to take in opinions from discord, but it is worth knowing that this discord represents power users. Not to discount their voice but to still try cater for the avg player 19:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Point is one of the imo most important ideas behind this change was to get more interaction in local communities. If we put it behind a new command people will just never hear about it 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <> than give us a new command for old /top5 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont even think they care about top ranks they wont achieve anytime soon 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] I was a little busy the last month or so. I intended to give feedback on this but forgot about it 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] The worst can - as in this case - is that the feature has been iterated on. The top ranks and larger communities will get to keep it the same, while the smaller get to benefit 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is the maintainance nightmare we are trying to avoid. We can't add a legacy mode for every single change we make because some people liked it the other way around 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] We have hundreds of options, dozens of commands. Combinations break all the time 19:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] dont u think its bad to ignore the people who play the game the most 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] these people make the actual top ranks 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <> but its annoying too see only the top3.. 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ignoring is bad. So is only valuing their experience 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] @jao we aren't ignoring you. After the complaints, I literally updated the feature within 2 hours and pushed an update to it 19:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] There needs to be a balance 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] This will be better for GER as soon as the new update rolls out 19:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] We'll think of something for the other regions. Maybe a ui change that people will hate on aswell. So exciting 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Zodiac isn't it extremely fun working on the ddnet code? You code for about an hour and have long debates about minor issues for 5. Rinse and repeat until you end up only ever doing bugfixes 19:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] We'll have to probably get this into a command of it's own as your latest change is only enough to fix this in GER. CHL also has some fundamentalists that won't be happy about this 19:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] It will fix it for the other servers should they have a good enough time. You are right though there may still be some complaints but I can't see much justification to it without the duplication issue. 19:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, I don't mind constructive criticism but it isn't great how extremely vocal and angry people get over a relatively minor issue. 19:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] And this was like extremely minor, try doing some ui changes next. Guaranteed way to become depressed 19:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] haha I'll give that a miss. Will try for an easy win with /swap. 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is very cool but spectators take up too much space imo 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] in what matter, too much space? 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] its not filling the whole space yet 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] well if there is like 7 spectators 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] it scales them down if there is no space 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] i see 20:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can just add auto-message about it 20:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] or add /cmdlist 22:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean nobody care XD i think (global) enough for all 22:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah why not 22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] if was about where are you from maybe 22:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it's about the server 22:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] example i now in GER server 22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] they not until half german 22:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/818956613670797372/unknown.png 22:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] so yeah nobody care becasue nobody german 😛