01:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] any idea? 01:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/817188779793711144/9d6d8cc00cf7008e01790c14be03be08.png 01:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] DDNet.exe is not supposed to be a dynamic link library so I guess something went very wrong while linking 01:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] but dlls have DllMain, not WinMain 01:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe bcs of the console stuff, i only tested it with MinGW 01:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] not with VS 01:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe u need to tell VS that the entry is still main and not WinMain 01:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] probs have to add /ENTRY:mainCRTStartup 02:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does anyone know why my shields and weapons sometimes move and sometimes stand still? 07:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Only idea I have would be if you havent restarted the client in many days 12:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 for your information, if you remember: https://github.com/fokkonaut/F-DDrace/commit/db9a4609c959cfbab218f93c8a8289f47ebed84b 12:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] is that okay? or should i apply the ddnet version: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/base/system.c#L2365 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen ^ :monkaS: 13:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen @deen there are 2 deens 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen i think u need to tell cloudflare to reset the cache 13:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] or the image wont be updated 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hey, 2 questions: 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1. Is there a way to do this: `bind mouse1 "+weapon1; wait 1ms; +fire; +weapon2"`. The idea is to change weapon to hammer, hit and then change it to weapon2. Without "wait 1ms" it's not working, and I didn't heard of such function. Is there any alternative? 14:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] 2. In theory, is there a way to connect tee without GUI, without client. Directly from script connect to a game server, walk, join teams, complete the map? Am I right or am I missing something? 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki you could also add a ?version=1 at the end of images, but will do 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @paulmost no, there is no wait. 14:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] No, also no tee possible without gui 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] @fokkonaut both seem okay 16:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen can I add wait function? Do you think it will have a use in future? 16:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] I can see a bunch of functionality around it 16:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, it's unlikely to get added 16:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could script parts with it 16:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] No 16:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you are talking about bind then max bind commands is 3 or smth 16:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or maybe you are talking about smth else 16:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm talking about things like rocket jump, hammer fly, etc. 16:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could time it perfectly with this wait command 16:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hm 16:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Makes sense actually 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] what about "next_tick" command? 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Same as wait 1ms but executed on next tick sent to server 17:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] It also requires a bit of work to turn the very sync console into an async console ;P 17:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh that's what I was afraid of 17:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Wait why console? Or you mean functionality which executes binds. I didn't seen DDNet client on this part, I can be talking non-sense 17:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have this problem. if i enter ddrace after 5 min i got this pls help i want to play ddrace https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/739791189641003010/817085701350096926/20210303_194036.jpg?width=628&height=471 @deen @murpi 17:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Saiki Kusuo other games work fine for you? This looks like a GPU issue. Try updating driver, try gfx_opengl_major 1 (F1) and restarting client, try a new GPU 17:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] thx i try it 17:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] also try limiting your framerate to something sane using `gfx_refresh_rate [amount]` 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm trying to scroll to the bottom of a QTreeView, whenever an item is inserted 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] `self.log2.rowsInserted.connect(lambda: self.logView.scrollToBottom())` 18:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] is my current code 18:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] but this only works if I insert two rows at once, otherwise we only scroll to the second to last entry 18:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Who is a qtreeview? 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtreeview.html 18:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is C++, what you have looks like python. Is there some documentation for the binding? 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] not really, it's "do whatever you do in C++" 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe this https://doc.qt.io/qtforpython-5/PySide2/QtWidgets/QTreeView.html 18:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Btw, this is one of the reasons I despise rmgui. I bet that’s some internal state shenanigans 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Scrolltobottom referring to an outdated internal state sounds like the issue 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I agree @ the latter 18:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Is there maybe some later event you can react to? 18:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Give the state time to get corrected maybe 18:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qabstractitemmodel.html#signals 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12657294/keep-qtableview-scrolling-to-the-last-row-when-the-model-is-growing 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Here you go ;P 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks, my google-fu was failing me 18:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ❤️ 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I've been stuck there for at least half an hour 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] mind sharing the google query? 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Wanna see my google query? ;D 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 18:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] rowsinserted scroll to bottom 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah, I haven't mentioned the signal name, only the class names 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] I was actually looking for the “behaviour” was ready to add qt at the end of that 18:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] But spotted this post 18:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hopefully it works 18:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] AMAZING 18:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] it owrks 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] that chinese clone requires mobile phone straight up 19:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats china for u 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] for the record not many chinese people uses email regularly. many kids don't even know what email is nowadays. 19:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] I’ve stated many times my position on this. If you want people to behave like humans online, you need proper id verification 19:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Let’s have a philosophical analysis of this. Do you think it’s the default human condition to be a dick? 19:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] People behaving well are only doing so to appear good. Trying to preserve their reputation. The second we give them the ability to reset their reputation whenever, they always act like assholes. The more anonymous the medium the more egregious the behaviour 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] then u live in a bubble 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] in real life u meet a lot nice people 19:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] But would they still be nice if it wouldn’t serve them? 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u see them in person u can notice if they are nice or only act like it 19:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not like someone I meet at a classroom can call me a retarded sewer rat with other people around without losing their reputation 19:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] ofc but if u spend enough time with them u notice how they are 19:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean you develop a sense for it, sure. But my point is these people still act nice. Because you are forced to act nice to be a part of the society 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] ofc these dicks exist but there are a lot people who are nice 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I’m just taking it a step further and asking whether all niceness is a result of this 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] so i wouldnt they its the default human condition 19:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] so i wouldnt say its the default human condition 19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] You can tell some people are more genuine, but maybe they are better actors. Would they still act nice given complete anonymity is something I wonder a lot 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] why would they act bad 19:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] what do they get from it 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Because there is no reason not to do it. You only need to believe it’ll get you to your goal 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] but there is also no reason to randomly be bad 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] E.g. in america some people think treating waitresses awfully is a way to get good service 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can just not care 19:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you see a small insect and nobody is around. do you kill it or do you save it? if you save it, then why are you doing it 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] SP | Someone thinks insulting us is a good way to achieve his goal of getting unbanned 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] sp someone is braindamaged 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is real selfish benefits to being extremely mean 19:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont think the human nature is to be super selfish 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] If it’s in my home it’s dying 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] humans need friends 19:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats mean 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess this is where our disagreement stems from. I think most people are extremely selfish, or at the very least only care about a small minority of people around them 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] are you like that 19:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] must suck to be learath 19:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] I try not to be, but it sometimes takes conscious effort 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] Depends on the exact situation 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] If I were truly selfless I’d donate all my money to some charity and off myself 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] it doesnt just make you happy to be freindly IRL without benefit? 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] but why do you spend time for ddnet then for example 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] So I guess most people lie on a spectrum of selfishness? 19:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] you get no return 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s almost the only thing I’m actually good at. It makes me feel fulfilled instead of empty and useless 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] At a certain level my interest in ddnet is selfish even though the action is good for other people too 19:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok then ur selfish 19:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] But I’m sure at a certain level I can make any action any person takes apparently selfish 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is no selfless act imo. Even the most selfless looking acts usually are done to fulfill yourself at some level 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 real life ID isn't stuff that makes people behave. check facebook or twitter 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] You need to implement consequences. Facebooks consequences are just not large enough 19:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] hard to change ID might make bans more effective 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 that selfishness is basic self respect. if youre not at least a bit selfish you have to be dpressed 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] (They are large enough to filter the viler behaviour you’d see in completely anonymous mediums like teeworlds or 4chan) 19:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] lets require personal id for ddnet accounts 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] If there was no privacy concern, I’d be totally for it 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] :justatest: 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok then mobile number 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's only helpful for making bans more effective 19:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think I read a paper comparing Korea (where you register with your id) and Eu cheating rates in league of legends 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] There are virtually 0 reoffenders in Korea, since you can’t get a new id number 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] lol 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] link please 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] They also coerce people into not acting like complete buffoons 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] I’ll look for it 19:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does anyone know why my shields and weapons sometimes move and sometimes stand still? 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think it was a riot employees blog showing some statistics 19:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 you prefer fake nice people to real assholes? thats bluepilled 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] what if they faked their stats 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 btw it’s quite simple to see how effective this is with s real life example. If I threatened to cut off your tongue if you say a bad word, you’d very quickly stop using bad words 19:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] people still stole in the medieval ages 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Now how ethical that is in terms of proportional punishment, I don’t know. But high consequences are quite simply the best way to get compliance 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] despite such practices 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] same for murder and capital punishment 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] because they think they wont be caught 19:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Difference is with the perfect surveillance today, you only get one chance to steal before losing your hands and thus the ability to steal 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, we don't have perfect surveillance 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] crime solving is far from 100% 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] not sure what the correct word is 20:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] why not 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] people who want to do harm can still use disposable numbers 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] because no way we're going to require phone numbers 20:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] and it just harms people who play peacefully but anonymously 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] how do u get a disposable number 20:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well in teeworlds itd be 100% 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] We control the entire medium afterall 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] no u dont 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] plenty of ways, there are sites that let u receive sms ( ie ), u can use google voice or a similar service, u can buy a cheap sim card/burner phone, u can use a friend's phone, etc 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] but it costs money 20:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is all hypothetical btw, there is ofc no way we implement my insane world view into ddnet 😄 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] almost all of those things are free lol 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddos also costs money right 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes often 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum not if u have made ur own botnet 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] by distributing programs with virus 20:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye sure 20:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] google voice is free 20:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well the part of the medium we care about. I don’t care if someone hosts their own anarchy server 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] u still dont control it totally 20:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] u would need to control the entire internet 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] For this hypothetical, lets say I want to enforce the rule that you cant say some word on ddnet 20:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] I only care what happens on ddnet servers, thus I only need to control that 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] humans know how to bypass that 20:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] the thing that mattersi s the meaning of the word 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] My point being this argument is moot because there is no getting away with it in this case 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sure, but you are taking incredible risk now. If a human mod catches you you arent going to play the game for a month 20:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] tell that to ppl in dictatorships 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] and that still are alive 20:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] You mean people that dont agree with the dictator? 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] you cant never have total control 20:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] 1984 is a nice book 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] But its taking place in a rather large world where there are opportunities to sneak around 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] the internet seems pretty big to me 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Here its literally bytes going through to our server 20:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] you dont even have full control over yourself tho 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can always mentally manipulate a higher up 20:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] can AI have full complete control over something really simple? 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] lets mentally manipulate ryo 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] someone can also go the physical location of the server 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] and destroy it 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] hes already on reddit 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Sure but I think we are getting beside the point. If I want to punish cheating harshly, the more anonymous the medium the less options I have for pubishment 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] Has it anything to do to the channel? 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] lmao 20:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] lets go to the physical location of ddnet 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] ddnetcon 2021 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] lets go 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] It is a bit off topic, but it's where the people who'd want to talk about something like this reside 20:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] go to hetzner servers location 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] u cant just enter hetzner servers location 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] damn i lost my dota game cuz i was reading this 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] If you have something on topic to ask, feel free, we can stop :P 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u dont work there 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I subscribed this channel to receive some info on dev and reading through messages about... I don't even get the point 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 anyway, if there were total control i doubt it would last 20:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] i just need to pay someone at hetzner to put fake ranks for me in the database? 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 there is no place where total control lasted for long 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] total control being a hard dictatorship here 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] well maybe north korea is near that 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] i wonder what they doing over there 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum yes, but unlikely to happen 😉 there are bigger targets than ddnet on hetzner 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] the only one who has more control over ddnet than learath is hetzner ceo 20:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] well that makes it easier for him then right? 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] bill gates can buy anyone here 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] and anyone would accept 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] even u 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would accept ofc 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] having ur life resolved 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] over a game 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] who wouldnt 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] xddd 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] vlc 20:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] We do have very abstract talks like this sometimes. It's off-topic but we've kinda accepted it 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] wdym subscribed 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] So what are you talking about? 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u want to see the real dev progress and talk github is the best place for you 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] Like servers and stuff 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] GitHub is too dead 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] $info 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] $github 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] $about 20:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] We are chatting about the effects of annonimity and whether 0 anonimity would prevent people from acting like assholes 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i figured out why the $profile and $points stopped updating 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] the cache is too big to load in memory 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 are you one of those that accept more "security" by saying yes to a state police? 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] too many ranks 20:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] and users 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Just prune cache 😄 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] No but not because I don't think it'll bring more security. It's because my desire for privacy is more than the amount of security I thibk we'd get 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Or maybe having something like RabbitMQ might solve the problem 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 20:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think we are at a sweet spot in real life in western countries 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] but privacy is the first thing the state trades for "security" 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] On ddnet we have a lot more privacy, but no security at all. That's far from the sweet spot imo 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] is ddnet especially toxic? 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] look up steam reviews 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] u justn eed to play dota 2 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] a valve game 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] to learn 20:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] the truth 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] about humanity 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] It can technically get infinitely toxic in ddnet since we have no way to stop it 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] DDNet is not toxic until Russian players log in 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] then we have a miracly right here right? 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] No racism, I'm Russian 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] i mean 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u look at % of toxic 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] then we have a miracle right here right? 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] im sure its less than 1 20:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] but sp someone always shines 20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] well depends on what u consider toxic 20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] The point is that there is no way for us to get rid of that 1% nor is there anything ever stopping them 20:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] % of toxic 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] i updated 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] :greenthing: 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] In real life societal pressure takes care of this. You can't act like an absolute degenerate 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 thats just false 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] look at any karen 20:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] in a supermarket 20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] Thats a level of degeneracy that americans seem to accept. Try the same in europe and I bet you'd stop real fucking quick 20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] nah you cant just explain it like this 20:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] If I shout at a supermarket worker people will look at me like I'm insane 20:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] there are areas where karens are possible and there are areas where its not possible. no matter what country 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://gameworldobserver.com/2021/03/05/microsoft-zenimax-deal-approved-us-securities-exchange-commission/ 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] its done 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] they did it 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I mean sure, but have you met sny karens here? Or have you seen more than like 1 or 2 instances even on video? 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/817478988279709726/microsoft-zenimax-us.png 20:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkaS: 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yay I guess. Hopefully they keep the spirit of the studio alive 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 how to attach gdb to a running process 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 u sure you dont live inside a black mirror episode? 😄 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] i got my ddnet client frozen 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] its unfrozen now 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] so something must be doing this 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] and idk what is it 20:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] if it doesnt crash its hard to know 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] Load binary. Attach with `attach ` c when it breaks to keep going 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] but im sure its related to discord 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 have you ever used nom? (rust lib) 20:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] no. it's a parser combinator 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki btw Zwelf and i created our own version of about:tiles which is quite extendable :) 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] Fairly, I think I'm just a little too glass half empty than most people 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i implemented the server info with it 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes you cross me as a overthinker 20:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] 180 lines only :poggers: 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] is the svg thing? 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] Pessimistic overthinker sounds about right 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] its hard to put it in the wiki due to svg script security issues 20:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats cringe @Learath2 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why? 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Better overthink than not think at all, no? 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] hard to explain... its like emo 20:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can overthink and just accept it and be happy anyway 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well if you don’t reach a conclusion, what are you supposed to accept? 20:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] that very fact 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] you cant reacha conclusion so just dont worry about it 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 did u know germany removed all their nuclear reactors due to ignorant ppl fear? and the very fact of removing this and going for coal kills more ppl statistically 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] kinda hilarious 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzfpyo-q-RM 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 20:36 <+bridge> [freenode] @Ryozuki I think should work with an iframe, object or embed the same way you embed the other svgs 20:36 <+bridge> [freenode] but it doesn't load any external javascript code and even embeds the png 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] ppl who die by each energy production mean 20:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/817480814672478208/unknown.png 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] way* 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/817480960500170772/unknown.png 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] interesting data eh 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] but nuclear bad 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] nuclear death isnt the same as coal death tho. 20:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] So when can you reach a conclusion? If you can never reach a conclusion there is no need to think about anything. But certainly there are ideas that can be taken to a logical conclusion 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] looking at one statistic and calling it a day is lazy 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] look the whole video then 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm sure I can find a favorable one for coal, out of all things 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] So which things am I allowed to think about and not be cringe? 20:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] go for it 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] This is true in a lot of places. Happened a couple times even in china 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] square meter of uninhabitable land created? as in "you can't go there" 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] the c oal itself will make the entire planet inhabitable 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki now you're changing goal posts, the above thing was about past events 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can think about anything but when i realize that going urther into it is going to be bad for me in any way then i just stop. 20:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] ???? 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nuclear is by far the safest and cleanest source of consistent energy as far as I’ve read. I’m obviously no expert but the decision from countries to phase out nuclear does look silly to me 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] but there is lot of FUD 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] I know it's one of reddit's favorites positions to hold, at the very least 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] what about that waste tho. they dont know where to put it yet 20:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] serioiusly, watch the vid 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] its backed by references to scientific papers 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well just because reddit agrees with it doesn’t mean it’s false 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://sites.google.com/view/sources-nuclear-death-toll/ 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] pff science 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] the sources 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 obviously not 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s much safer to store nuclear waste underground than storing co2 in the air 😄 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/817481993767747602/1614371255799.jpg 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] science 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] why r u always like this 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] about science 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] LOL 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] kinda cringy 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk its just funny 20:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] its joke ryozuki 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] i know 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] it reminds me of dumb americans and flat earthers 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] triggers me 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] what does the video say about nuclear waste @Ryozuki? 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki big snowflake 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 it mentions it 20:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] near the end 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm not going to watch a video 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you can't tell me what it says, we might as well stop here ^^ 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] well then the dicussion can end 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why not? 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] It’s about 10 minutes, so it’s likely not a time concern 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think it's bad form to say that people are stupid but still not willing to explain your position 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] im not a good communicator, the video communicates stuff rly well 20:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] so 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] if u dont want to watch it the discussion ends here 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 I don't like videos, waste of time, mostly 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] X2 speed ftw 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] kurzgesagt is rly good channel btw 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, I know 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki how are you now different than to any other eligious person? 20:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Ryozuki how are you now different than to any other religious person? 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Huh, I find well presented and well sourced videos much more accessible than actual research on most matters 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] the whole science reddit thing is the biggest cult rn 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] I like well presented texts better 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] it allows me to go in my own speed, verifying stuff as-is 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well people learn in different ways 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] 3blue1brown has excellent visualizations for mathematical concepts. I think there is extra value in the visual part of a video 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can go at ur speed 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] pause the video 20:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] yep @Learath2 20:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://sites.google.com/view/sources-nuclear-death-toll/ 20:47 <+bridge> [ddnet]