02:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] Hello, I just downloaded ddnet from steam and when I open it a window with some codes appears and then the game is displayed full screen and it closes instantly, I tried several times and when opening it for a frame you see how many pages I have and there are many of the game but I can't play ¿? 02:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779761780129005568/782958737447059476/unknown.png?width=447&height=250 03:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] all these reports seem to come from win7 users 03:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it a win7 problem then? 03:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] have you tried using outdated or just non steam releases? 03:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] maybe that could help 03:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] And will the online work if it is not of steam? 03:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont know but you can try 03:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] o.0 03:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] keeps happening ._ . 03:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] try using an old version of the ddnet client from ddnet.tw/downloads like this https://ddnet.tw/downloads/DDNet-10.6.2-win32.zip 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] better dont use such old clients 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] they reset config variables and are less secure 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] or download 0.7 client 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] like fclient 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] 0.7 is bad 03:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] 0.7 best 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] the best is you try the version before and if that works, its just a bug that probably will be fixable 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Nax are u on 32bit windows? 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] its not 0.7 being bad 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] its noby being bad at 0.7 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 03:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have 64bit 03:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] alright 03:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://ddnet.tw/downloads/DDNet-15.1.3-win64.zip 03:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] can you try this version? 03:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok 03:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] keeps happening 03:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] ok, then i guess a dev with windows 7 has to debug the problem 03:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 did you find something useful in your last windows debug session? 03:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Nax random question but is your username in windows "User"? 03:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] ¿? 03:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] when u click on C: there is "Users" 03:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] is there a directory that is called "User" 03:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] User 03:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] Public 03:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] and so on 03:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] XD is a meme in spañish 03:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] so its "User"? 03:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] e.g. press Windows key + E on your keyboard 03:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] there is 03:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://uis.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/win10-fileexplorer-addrbar.png 03:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] ''pixelsaurio insensato'' 03:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] click that and type C:\\Users 03:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] hmm seems everybody busy i not get f4 but not get f3 too:cammo: 03:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] is there then a item called "User"? 04:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] my suggestion is even better 04:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsamazingman: 06:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] today was a bad day at aoc 😦 06:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] wtf 06:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] im reading the problem 06:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] who allowed the difficulty to spike so much from 2 to 3 08:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/f1bb5b5bd92b23ee091dd086e88e35b39723cd60 08:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Why would you do it like this? we have `CLIENT_MAIN` and `CLIENT_DUMMY` already, just add another entry `NUM_CLIENTS` or so 08:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ someone else had a similar problem: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/2972902433493341292/ 08:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm wondering how much the current servers would cost for a year 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'll calculate it soon 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] if it's too much, I'd suggest closing some server 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] there is strong opposition to closing them 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd consider 2k€/a unsustainable 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 08:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'd consider 2k€/y unsustainable 08:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] I see 4 ger servers in central europe (2 should be fine), we have two rus servers in the same location, I don't know how close brazil and argentina are in terms of ping, but I'd guess one brazil server in sao paulo would be enough, then we have korea&japan, where one would probably be enough 08:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess I could try gathering some player statistics 08:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] @TsFreddie how did you translate ddmax into chinese? ^^ 08:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] "traditional"? 09:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think @Dan_cao did the translation 09:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] 古典 - classical 09:38 <+ChillerDragon> idk if im stoopid and fished but why does digitalocean send me a mail containing this url http://mkto-ab430114.com/ ? Any idea on how i can make sure its legit 09:38 <+ChillerDragon> its not even https like woot and it redirects to hacktoberfest just fine 09:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah, that seems fishy, I wouldn't trust that email 09:41 <+ChillerDragon> me neither well i clicked already so yikes 09:50 <+ChillerDragon> i mean the sender looks fine but isnt that easy to spoof? Im sure one of u haxxors knows how to find something in the metadata https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/NH 09:50 <+ChillerDragon> pls dont hack my mail xd 09:51 <+ChillerDragon> ah fuck mktdns.com looks like a big flag 09:51 <+ChillerDragon> i can't belive i got bamboozeld 10:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 1577 € is the current estimation: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/pull/108 10:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: Probably they use Marketo, thus the mkt* domains. I'd bet they use weird domain names for tracking? But still really annoying. PayPal does similar things where they send you to random domains that are not paypal.com but paypal-marketing-foo.com... 10:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] my DO mails also have this mktdns in them 10:38 <+ChillerDragon> wait deen are you saying this is an official DO mail? And they need another redirect to track me? 10:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] that's my guess, yes 10:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] saw nothing weird in the email header, except the mktdns, but they use that all the time 10:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] @louis day3 is always a spike for aoc 10:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ I didn't really find anything that could cause this. It would be so useful to know where the crash happened :/ 10:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] Imo todays aoc was easier, than day2. Today you just need to know about modulo, yesterday you needed to parse a string. 11:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] I didn't look at it yet 11:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] eh 11:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] `line = line * 1000` > `%` 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Ah it looks quite simple 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] I would do modulo too 11:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Day 3 looks harder than it is 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea i was just in a rush and went for the first thing that came to my mind ^^ 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah, just like last years, if you sit down and think about it it wasn't actually that bad 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] :giftee_red: 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] When they introduce the 2d grid is when it starts looking scary :P 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] add me on https://www.codewars.com/users/Ryozuki if anyone else does stuff there 11:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] 👀 11:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] I actually might do this one in C 11:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] Almost burned my bread looking at the challange :P 11:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] poor bread 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/784000802883764234/unknown.png 11:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] current global stats 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] dkim=pass header.i=@news.digitalocean.com header.s=m1 header.b=Z+Z3Objp; 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] dkim=pass header.i=@mktdns.com header.s=m1 header.b=ICTVrDiZ; 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: mail seems to actually be from news.digitalocean.com 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] they're either compromised, or they really sent you this mail 11:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye we chose "classical" as ddmax. "traditional" is the oldschool ones 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah 🙂 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] paypal is absolutely atrocios with their emails. looks completely like a spam email. links go to epl.paypal-communications.net 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] like wtf 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] none of these translation make any sense but it is better than ppl asking constantly. 11:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] they have their "is this email a phishing email" service 11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] at the start, when they changed the URLs to epl.paypal-communications.net, that service said "NO, don't click on that link, it's a phishing email" 11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] how should users figure out that these links are indeed correct 11:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] @TsFreddie no sense is a bit strong 11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] i agree, had huge trouple yesterday because i wanted to try out cpp regex 😄 today i needed like 15 minutes for both 11:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Good morning 11:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] i agree, had huge trouble yesterday because i wanted to try out cpp regex 😄 today i needed like 15 minutes for both 11:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] good morning 11:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] good morning 12:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Dragere modulo? Why not just create infinite lists 12:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] in Haskell https://github.com/def-/adventofcode-2020/blob/master/3.hs 12:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 12:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] i guess haskell is rly good for this stuff 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Which goof decided python is above all other programming languages and shouldn't need a do-while loop? 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] doesn't really fit, due to the indnetation = grouping 12:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] also, try to guess what 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] for i in …: 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] … 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] else: 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] … 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] ``` 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] does 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess that's a decent reason 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] We already had this discussion 😛 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] kk 12:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's also defined in a very silly way btw 12:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] it takes a really twisted person to come up with this stuff 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] btw, when is it okay to put solutions on github? 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] whenever u want i guess 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] if someone looks it without finishing up to him 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] the fun is solving it urself 12:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] if someone looks it without finishing is up to him 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen do u know nasm? 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] will u do it with that someday 12:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh should have used assembly very early on 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah it will get harder 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] the first one would have been easy 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] actually this one would be easy too 12:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] i seen problem 2 solved in brainfuck 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh and assembly even has a way to do a do while loop 😛 12:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's even the natural way to loop there 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen do one in a hardware description language 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] :poggers: 12:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] vhdl/verilog 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] Github is trying really hard to break the dark theme all the time... 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] if only they would provide their own, I wouldn't care about them breaking the 3rd party one 12:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] u have to update daily 12:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/Learath2/aoc/tree/master/2020 you can now explore my very mediocre python skills 😛 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 r u on python 3.9? 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] 386 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] on 3.9 u can use the list type directly 12:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/784022359547314186/unknown.png 12:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😋 12:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] totally not a image from my blog :pepeH: 12:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] updating python on linux without the consent of the package manager has never went well for me, so I'll stick to 386 for now 😛 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] when i wrote that even arch wasnt on 3.9 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] i had to compile python myself 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] now its on 3.9 tho 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Arch still isn't on 3.9 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] Also works in lower Versions with .. i think `typing` 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] it is 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/784022777941458974/unknown.png 12:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] update 12:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] @stnwtr ofc, my point is that from 3.9 u dont need typings for collections type hinting 12:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 12:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] did they like bump it yesterday? I updated this vm like 4 days ago 😛 12:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] i do "yay" every day 12:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] yay! 12:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] I used aur-tools when I had arch on my daily driver 😛 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] yay is the best i think 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] its also short and has same syntax as pacman 12:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] I like how crusty and low level aur-tools is, makes me feel like I'm almost in control of the system 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] sorta had a layman'y feeling, very cool 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] gotta try that 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro try what if i may ask 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] aur-tools 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] Using types in Python!? I would never 12:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh and you get to build your aur packages in a chroot, which gets you nice and clean packages 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i would always 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can autocomplete 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] xdd 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] If only typing was forced on python, it would be almost an acceptable language 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] not only did they add that changei n 3.9 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] now u can add metadata to typings 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/784023814186074112/unknown.png 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://edgarluque.com/blog/whats-new-in-python-3.9 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] You madman, that's not the Python I grew up with 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 12:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] You know what would be cool? A fork of python that forced you to use types 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] NO! 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] u can have a unsigned type in python now 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] with metadata typings 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] Stop the blasphemy 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] \\o/ 12:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] static typing gang rise up 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] :pepeH: 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Look how good typescript has been to javascript, literally gave it new life 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] Don't make me start a npm rant 12:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] :pepeH: 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro i fixed all our npm issues using --frozen tho 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] Facebook as soon as they started to use javascript on a project that's very complex, the first thing they developed was Flow 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] :monkalaugh: 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow did you? 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] i told u to use --frozen 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't get why you don't like npm 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] and it worked 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] whats that 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] well 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] something like that 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] it just works is how I would describe my experience with npm 12:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] it makes it so package-lock.json stays same 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] wait where did you even add `--frozen` 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] we are talking about unique web, right? 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] did u know on rust you can have a build.rs on ur top level directory and it runs before u build? 12:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/784024881486495744/unknown.png 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] i use it tobuild my css 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 Look what's commented out here https://github.com/unique-clan/unique-web/blob/master/update.sh xD 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] The old update script 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] npm ci fixed it all 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] yep, no problems so far 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well npm ci is --frozen 😛 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] yep 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] told ya 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Aaaahh 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] but why would you want --frozen? 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Idk 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] cuz 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] But it just works 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] server runs on old debian 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] Do you just randomly edit the package.json? 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] and does weird things 12:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] the old npm 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] or smth like that 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] we use a more modern npm developing 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] frozen tells npm to respect the lock file, that's all it does 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] otherwise it rewrites it and when we git pull it errors 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats the issue we had 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] iirc 12:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] (which is indeed a silly option, the fuck is the point of a lock file if you don't respect it?...) 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] npm update just kept breaking everything 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh you never npm update 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah sorry 12:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] npm install it was 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 did u get sick looking at the script tim sent u? u can see some systemd stuff there :monkalaugh: 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] :bluekitty: 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's a real beauty, gets called every minute by crontab :D 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't talk about systemd anymore, people just don't care that their system is becoming a monolithic blackbox 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] @timakro systemd has its on scheduler/timer whathever 12:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] on arch linux u dont even need contrab 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] But I like crontab 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] > There are many cron implementations, but none of them are installed by default as the base system uses systemd/Timers instead. 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] like all other things, people don't care if the government spies on them, people don't care if corporations spy on the 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye me too 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] people don't care about anything these days it seems, as long as it's more convenient it's all acceptable 12:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes! 13:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] ! 13:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] How did you get there from systemd? 13:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] ? 13:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't know if this was some kind of extreme systemd critique or just unrelated xD 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] but i agree, it sucks, especially the phone market 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's the same idea, systemd is slightly more convenient, so people accept that a blob of millions of LoC that no one can fully understand runs as PID1 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Um, but you COULD look at it 13:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Look at what it started as, look what it is now. It's completely against the principle of "do one thing and do it well" 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] What happened to all the cron implementations we had, all offering different capabilities, having different strong points? 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] And isn't this the same as npm which pulls millions of LoC into my project from the npm servers where you have to trust a lot of different people to use any packages 13:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] What happened to poor udev? If not for the gentoo team systemd would be your only option on any distro today 13:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] I never said I like npm, I said it usually just works 13:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yep, that's systemd for you, I agree 13:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] besides, npm doesn't replace anything 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] npm is a very simple piece of software, that even has alternatives you can understand 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] I didn't realize systemd now reads your fstab on arch and "translates" it all into it's unit business until they changed something in systemd which broke my mounting ^^ 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] don't confuse the software that is npm with the repository of packages that is npm 13:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] I didn't realize systemd now reads your fstab on arch and "translates" it all into it's unit business until they changed something in systemd which broke my mounts ^^ 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oh, ConsoleKit and PolKit, while they were never the nicest, what happened to those? Do you have any option to manage multiseat systems now except systemd? 13:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] Multiseat 😄 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] It's sad but I feel like support for multiseat setups will get worse and worse 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] DBus is next and when Poettering gets his way, it will be moved all the way inside the kernel with an API that's so difficult to implement the only client for it will be systemd 13:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] (Thankfully there are still some sane people on the kernel mailing list that showed that this was actually insane) 13:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] but people that care about these things are getting old, they will get bored and leave, we will be left with nothing but systemd and a linux kernel that's so deeply interconnected with it that there will be nothing else you can use 13:10 <+bridge> [ddnet] yep, seems unavoidable when you put it like that 13:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wonder when they will undertake coreutils, It's the next rational target. I mean if my intention was to take over the linux world 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] Personally I don't care that deeply I got into arch and caring about the internals of my system after systemd. /etc/crontab still works and will keep working forever (even though managed by systemd ofcourse) 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] systemd-cpd, you tell the cpd over dbus what you want copied and it does it 13:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't think /etc/crontab will be around much longer. Systemd loooves binary formats 13:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Nahhh they can't remove that 13:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] init scripts still work with systemd as well 13:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] They will first introduce the binary format and tell everyone that there is nothing to worry about, they provided a translator 13:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] possible, but they will keep the frontend 13:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] For how long? It took them only a year to completely absorb udev 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] I have no idea about udev 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] After promising they won't absorb udev btw 😄 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] Did they change the config format or smth? 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] xD 13:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] udev currently can't operate without systemd 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah, they make everything dependent on systemd and keep making alternatives difficult or impossible to use alongside or as replacement while mainting the frontends system admins care about 13:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] (it's complete integration, it links to libsystemd iirc) 13:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think I read a 10 page document trying to figure out the options inside a unit file and how they behave precisely. The author gave up after 10 pages 13:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] I love convenience as much as the next guy, but convenience is for the user. "It just works" or "to make it work" are not good engineering decisions 13:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] The documentation for the unit files seems mainly tailored for the user and convenience. It's relatively short and easy to find stuff. But I also got confused when I wanted to have 3 unit files to work together in a specific way the "idiomatic" way. With their `Wants` and `Depends` and `ConsistsOf` etc and in the end just gave up separated them, put restart=always on all of them so they crashed until the services connected in the right way 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] There is no documentation tailored for people who know what they are doing btw. The author couldn't find one, nor could I and iirc the author was told the code is the documentation if they want precise answers 13:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] When I want to restart them I need to restart them all separately now ^^ especially when I restart A I need to restart B so it reconnect 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yep, it's missing the details 13:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] When I want to restart them I need to restart them all separately now ^^ especially when I restart A I need to restart B so it reconnects 13:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] Well I precisely know how an openrc init file will operate and I can even reason about the ordering of init in openrc. Even without any documentation at all 13:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] Oddly enough, the inspiration for systemd actually has great documentation and I think is one of the best init daemons ever engineered. launchd 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Apple might have shoddy business practices but they consistently manage to have both the best and the worst of engineering in the same team. It's a very odd company 😛 13:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] I now remember what it was that broke my mounts back then. With systemd specific paths in /etc/fstab such as `/home` are automounted even with the `noauto` option. So because I don't want my `/home` automounted (it needs to be decrypted first) I had to remove it from /etc/fstab and specify the full path + options in the script that mounts /home for me 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] Figuring out why this happened was a nightmare, first step was even figuring out that systemd had anything to do with /etc/fstab. I didn't know that 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think the only way to keep your sanity in that situation is to put home in crypttab 13:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] iirc there is some glue logic inside systemd that will stop the automounter before mounting any crypted partition inside crypttab 13:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] huh, ok xD 13:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] now find that documented 😄 13:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] look at me ranting away again, anyway I've made peace with it, we'll all rot in systemd hell, there is no stopping it might aswell embrace it 13:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] I will even make a shrine to Poettering in my closet 13:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] That guy pisses me off more than his silly invention, but I'm also trying to become more accepting of others, they say anger is not good for you 13:31 <+ChillerDragon> thanks @heinrich5991 for the phising feedback :) sounds good for me and kinda fucked up from their side :D 14:32 <+ChillerDragon> uhm @deen if github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts isnt the upstream what is? and why 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] we have our own private repos with lots of passwords and other private information in it 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] like all mod accounts, bans etc 14:36 <+ChillerDragon> sounds like you could do some cleanup the public scripts repo should be the upstream and the private repos should be separat 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, but sounds like annoying work that will end up with all kinds of stuff not working 😄 14:37 <+ChillerDragon> hire me 14:37 <+ChillerDragon> :D 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] can someone give bind for password on server? 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] can someone give bind for password on server? 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] im idk how trigger f1 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] @triki do you want to log in with a bind? 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] `bind rcon_auth ` 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] `bind rcon_login ` 15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 i wanna bind pas for server 15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 i wanna bind pas for join to the server 15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] `bind password ` 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 im tried but doesnt work 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @triki have you also tried it in f1? 15:53 <+ChillerDragon> yo does 1 know what the +122 means in gdb? https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/KF 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think not all key binds trigger in the menus 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] 122 bytes into the function, probably 15:54 <+ChillerDragon> yea either bytes or instructions thats what i thought 15:54 <+ChillerDragon> its rls so it cant be c++ lines i guess 15:54 <+ChillerDragon> any idea on how to hunt the linenum? 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] build in debug mode or read the assembly 15:55 <+ChillerDragon> yea sounds obvious 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/784070302329077771/unknown.png 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] or build in RelWithDebInfo 15:55 <+ChillerDragon> the crash is unreproducible tho 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] @triki does just executing `password nimrocks` work? 15:55 <+ChillerDragon> i do not know if i still have the binary :/ 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] +122 is bytes 15:56 <+ChillerDragon> ty hackerman 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] how did you load it in the debugger if you don't have the binary, ChillerDragon? 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] if i just try password nimrocks in f1 it is ok 15:56 <+ChillerDragon> i had the binary then it rebuild on crash 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] but with bind doesnt 15:56 <+ChillerDragon> so i have to guess the commit it run 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] then maybe keypad binds don't work in the menu 15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] ChillerDragon: is the debugger still open? 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> no :/ 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] well. out of luck then 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> that could show the assembly ez 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] wait for the next time the server crashes 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> yea but good to know i will try to log commit msg from now on 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Without the EXACT binary the cores don't mean anything 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> ye 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> but git checkout commit and rebuild is exact isnt it? 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] Not even the commit sha is enough, you can't just build it again 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> fk 15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] you could if you had reproducible builds 15:57 <+ChillerDragon> ok then i have to store binarys on crash 15:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] I don't know if ddnet builds reproducibly 15:58 <+ChillerDragon> doubt 15:58 <+ChillerDragon> its c++ :D 15:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, but a lot of effort was poured into this 15:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think it builds reproducibly on my machine 15:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wouldn't count on it since we didn't work on making it so 15:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] (when I last checked) 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think at the very least it would depend on system state 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] At least libantibot and libsteam should be reproducable 😄 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe you updated glibc inbetween e.g. 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] same dep&compiler versions are vital 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] Anyway, saving the binary is the safest way 15:59 <+ChillerDragon> ye 15:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] yup 16:00 <+ChillerDragon> i think i might still have but idk which it is 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] Does anyone know a non shit phone brand? My samsung is soooooo slow now it's insane 16:00 <+ChillerDragon> pinephone 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] I even got the flagship hoping to get some more time out of it but 2 years seems to be the most modern companies offer 16:00 <+ChillerDragon> puri.sm 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] I think the thing to look out for is "how long do you get updates?" 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] either from first party or third party roms 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] I get updates, each of them make the phone even slower 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] apple has a good track record there, unfortunately they're not general computing devices, so can't buy those 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] Apple also loves their planned obsolescence 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 apple? 😄 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk, my google-branded phone has had lineageos updates for quite some time 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the official ones stopped a year ago 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] (nexus 5x) 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] I did consider an iphone for a long while, for their stellar privacy offering 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess one of the newer google phones would be a good bet 16:02 <+ChillerDragon> i had my iphone5 for like uhm 5+ years? it run fine till the end 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] if you're fine with 3rd-party OSs 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] `error: incompatible types: int cannot be converted to ArrayList` does anyone understand this 16:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yeah 16:02 <+ChillerDragon> you can not convert a int to a array 16:03 <+ChillerDragon> :troll: 16:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] You are trying to set an arraylist to an int for some reason :P 16:03 <+bridge> [ddnet]