07:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ^ I think same happens for checkpoints 07:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but not 100% sure 07:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ninja skips tiles 07:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i think it can skip all cept kill and blocks 08:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> That behaviour is known and used in many maps 08:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm quite sure it is more bugged than it was before, but will test it when I'm back home 08:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> its not bugged 08:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Its kinda straight 08:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> you can skip any unsolid tile except kill and only 1 block wide 09:47 <+ChillerDragon> lol since when? You cannot skip multiple stoppers using ninja anymore? Doesnt that break maps? 09:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess nothing of the behaviour is changed if i read this correctly 09:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Hey, I found some inconsisten naming schemes within the editor. In the tooltip it states "Flip brush horizontal" and the button at the top uses X/X. When you use this option the tile will be flipped in horizontal DIRECTION. But when you turn Info on, it will be asigned with a V (for vertical), stating the LINE it was mirorred on. Imo you should decide for one of the two options instead of using both, since it's confusing. 09:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/733954591808421918/screenshot_2020-07-18_09-42-16.png 10:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @ChillerDragon no, stoppers still can be skipped no matter how much 10:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> but tiles that have a gameoption on them only one tile wide as always 14:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://matklad.github.io//2020/07/15/two-beautiful-programs.html 14:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/734020235987779615/unknown.png 14:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] rust protects you from things u dont even know 14:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] careful, you might wake people up 😛 14:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yeah 14:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lets not wake learath :justatest: 14:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/hswzps/readable_function_composition/ 14:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] look this 14:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] u can compose functions 14:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] kinda cool 14:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] oh, closures are no longer voldemort types? ^^ 14:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I like `#![feature(type_alias_impl_trait)]` 14:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it used to be the case that closures have a type that cannot be named 14:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but this seems to fix that 14:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :o 14:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but alas, it's not stable yet 14:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] cloudflare makes monopoly 14:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] then we get unstable services 17:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @fokkonaut where did you get the coala skins from? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/1218 17:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] not sure, from the forum maybe 17:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and the santa skins 17:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ok 18:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i think too 19:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Am woken up 19:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] If size of vector doesnt change no need to invalidate iterators, if you are a dimwit that can't read the documentation for the container you use, I guess the rust compiler will save you from your idiocy 19:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Let me look at the second beautiful example of the rust compiler showing off how it's smarter than the programmer 19:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Ah the second one is indeed cute, if you haven't heard of shared_ptr or atomics 19:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I sure.the marketing method of antagonizing their potential users and calling people who do perfectly sane things idiots in blogposts will help a lot with the growth 19:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] s/I/I'm/ 19:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] did you actually read the post 19:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] `If any of these constraints is broken, the compiler rejects the code. There’s no need for std::shared_ptr just to defensively make sure that the memory isn’t freed under your feet.` 19:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] this is the point 19:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] "just to" that is the point to using shared_ptr 19:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ur so mad i find it funny 19:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm not mad, I'm just interested in why everyone is so interested in taking random claims as is without any exposition 19:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Honestly, you could code in brainfuck for all I care 19:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] rust is coming to the linux tree 19:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] btw 19:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] That,'s great to hear, it can mature in the driver tree for a while 19:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://www.zdnet.com/article/programming-languages-now-rust-project-looks-for-a-way-into-the-linux-kernel/ 19:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] "If building Rustic interfaces within the kernel requires some additional language features, we should see what enhancements to the language would best serve those requirements," 19:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] thats great 19:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] the good thing about a community driven and evolving language 19:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] That's the most clickbait summary I've seen but yeah. I read about it on the mailing list 19:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and actually the title is incorrect 19:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] linux wants to pull rust, rust never tried to push it 19:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] It'd be nice to see if rusts community will try to evolve the language so it fits well into the kernel code 20:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ARM also donated to rust 20:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] to make arm toolchain tier 1 20:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] How much support from rust is needed anyway? LLVM is doing the assembling 20:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://github.com/raw-bin/rfcs/blob/promote-aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu-to-tier-1/text/0000-promote-aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu-to-tier1.md 20:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i think rust just neeeded this 20:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] "All necessary supporting infrastructure, including dedicated hardware, to build and run the Rust compiler and compiler tests reliably must be available openly." 20:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] to make it a tier 1 20:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] thus the donation helped 20:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] they donated this https://www.packet.com/cloud/servers/c2-large-arm/ 20:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Ah so corporate support kinda deal 20:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Honestly I'd be surprised if rust had trouble compiling to any llvm target 20:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Oh, I wonder how arm is doing in server hw these days. Their fixed width ISA and thumb mode could actually give nice benefits 20:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 what do you think about ECS in game engines 20:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i see it works like treating the ECS as a database, you query components from a entity you have 20:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] idk if its worth this overhead 20:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it helps organize things tho 20:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] also the systems help with threading i guess 20:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Hm, I don't have a preference really. I think with how bad compilers are with devirtualization ECS might have better performance than inheritence approaches 20:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] imagine tw with ecs 20:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 20:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] That's how I would have coded it probably 20:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] me too 20:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] after discovering ecs 20:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] But I don't have a strong preference, inheritance can also look cute 20:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] thanks to this https://amethyst.rs/ i learnt how it works 20:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] actually, systems would make the code cleaner in tw, you wouldnt need 100 points to other components (e.g the client) 20:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] points -> pointers 20:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] That is our failure honestly 20:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 20:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I actually generated a map of pointers between classes and was looking to eliminate some links to make the hierarchy more pyramidlike 20:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Than got distracted with massive ddos so worked on network code 20:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342454474117218334/731609702017925200/3x.gif 20:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ddos kiddos 20:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] im surprised the tournament went rly well 20:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://learath2.info/kek.png 20:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] what means red? 20:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Honestly been a long time since I generated it, don't quite remember 20:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] the cool thing about rust is that you can do it without shared ptr and the compiler will yell at you when you break some invariant so that it is no longer allowed 20:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i.e. the rust code doesn't contain the unneeded atomic reference counting, but will not break when one modifies it 20:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] You can achieve minimum cost in both languages, rust just seems to make it easier to minimize it, which is nice 20:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and it is sufficient to locally understand the code when one changes it 20:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 20:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/734112977074257940/unknown.png 20:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] did u know about this? 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] matching with tuples 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] rly cool 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yes, I know matching with tuples 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/hp6guz/what_feature_of_rust_is_used_very_often_by/ 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] interesting thread 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] indeed useful, but that is a fizzbuzz 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] the opposite of interesting 20:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :poggers: 20:24 <+bridge_> [ddnet] that implementation is nice tho 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] not IMO 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] too indirect 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/734113529308643378/unknown.png 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] check out rocket if you like this 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i already use rocket 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it will also come to stable 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ah nice 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1.45 rlsed 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] how do you like it? 20:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I never wrote a project in that framework 20:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i love the request guards 20:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i didnt use it much tho, no ideas 20:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Rocket looked nice 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] my bad rust code 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/734114303736545390/unknown.png 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'd probably use go for most of that kind of work, it looks far more suitable 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] go is nice 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but i feel it kinda lacks a mature and good framework 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i dont feel satisfied 20:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] rocker makes it a joy 20:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i didnt find that in go 20:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah, that's why I've been waiting on looking at go 20:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] It honestly looks like the only language where concurrency is a first class feature of the language 20:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://pastebin.com/Dr0bdj9n 20:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] look how many times i check err != nil 20:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 20:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] its a bit sad 20:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Well I'm a huge fan of the old pattern 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm all for checking and handling errors asap 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] rust also helps you with this IMO 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://heinrich5991.de/teeworlds/ddnet/2020-07-18-ddnet-skins.csv 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ``` 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 31 "added by fokkonaut, “from forums”" 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 30 Whis 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 17 Teeworlds 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 15 Ravie 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 12 eb3580f257da9f74864fb3e10fe7a8fbe7cd668e 20:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 11 Moby Dog 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 3 Miper 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 ghost 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 fe789f3b788486be9545486ac999a98b75d05922 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 e5a2f5412e6783021549aa776e56b7a5149c6f5c 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 e3559581b2e0c3ebe8ec690a038c801e340a3027 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 chew 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 btd 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 a8ad349ed81d4d839afbd3abc6852da0743276f2 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Why 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Patwo.* 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Obst (9e3cd7836969ee2a90515e84361d6b61f71a4a91) 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Aoe 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 7a5935d298e112aef1b1d20d1a8e9d18b9d66dff 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 0549e1ef62e6a8eb8589fb8e3f4a76a498d4f360 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ``` 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] whats this? 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] our current skin situation 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Exception pattern seems nice but losing locality in your errors makes them very hard to actually handle, hence everyone else and their mothers suggest you die on most exceptions 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] skin authors 20:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] now we need to find at least Whis, Ravie, Moby Dog, perhaps Miper 20:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/734116318025875487/unknown.png 20:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 20:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Whis on this discord is not the correct whis, right? 20:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Ravie is here, at least 20:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Moby Dog I can probably reach 20:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] so whis is the most problematic 20:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] just trace the ddos ips :troll: 20:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Not sure who whis is, tbf. The name is roughly familiar but the whis here seems to be associated with vali, which I don't remember whis being a ddosing dickweed 20:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] whis made lot of skins 20:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I think he stopped playing(?) 20:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I remember playing ddrace with a whis 20:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Idk who the new guy is but I like his commits 20:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] you reviewing it? 🙂 20:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yep 20:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] a secret tw agent 20:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Being back from vacation is so depressing 20:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 20:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] forum is a gold mine 20:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] > I'm ryozuki with another acc, because i got banned for... meh. 20:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xdd 20:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i was 15 20:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] dont look 20:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I broke forum search apparently 20:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] can someone try to search for "coala" in the forums? 20:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Purge ryozuki logs 20:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 20:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I need to finish my bowl of soup before doing anything 20:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] forum search is slow 20:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ah got it 20:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?t=5967 20:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] by manually going through all topcis in the skins category 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ``` 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 30 Whis 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 17 Teeworlds 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 16 forsaken (https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?t=5932) 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 15 Ravie 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 15 DanilBest (https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?t=5967) 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 12 eb3580f257da9f74864fb3e10fe7a8fbe7cd668e 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 11 Moby Dog 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 3 Miper 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 ghost 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 fe789f3b788486be9545486ac999a98b75d05922 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 e5a2f5412e6783021549aa776e56b7a5149c6f5c 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 e3559581b2e0c3ebe8ec690a038c801e340a3027 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 chew 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 btd 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 a8ad349ed81d4d839afbd3abc6852da0743276f2 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Why 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Patwo.* 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Obst (9e3cd7836969ee2a90515e84361d6b61f71a4a91) 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 Aoe 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 7a5935d298e112aef1b1d20d1a8e9d18b9d66dff 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 1 0549e1ef62e6a8eb8589fb8e3f4a76a498d4f360 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ``` 20:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] new list 20:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] also need Zerodin for Kobra 4 and TyxpekCZ for Goo!, although these are probably more replaceable 20:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] The maps we probably dont even need to ship, I guess it makes it easier to launch a server 20:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yall should ship with a tutorial to mapping map 20:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] or a map with some info on how to work with a server 20:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] looks like CGC is super class 20:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] would be good to have a map, doesn't have to be Kobra 4 20:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] a ddnet map, preferably 20:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Konsti let us CC0 all his maps, if only he didnt only make brutals 21:01 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i have a solo map and a brutal map 21:01 <+bridge_> [ddnet] the solo map is kinda good but not easy for a noob 21:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://ddnet.tw/maps/Gorou 21:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :greenthing: 21:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] how about "gold mine" () https://ddnet.tw/maps/Gold-32-Mine or "seasons" (Knight :3) https://ddnet.tw/maps/Seasons 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] do you have contact info of the latter? 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] no 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> I made a moderate and a novice map but no rls :feelsbadman: 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] if you can contact hi_leute_gll 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] he probs can direct you 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] to knight 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] or maybe not 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Hi_leute_retard 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] u 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @ᶰ°Konͧsti no 21:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> :konstitroll: 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] stop trol 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] should be easily reachable on this discord 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> hi leute always tried to destroy DDNet 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> He bad 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] no 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] You can't say the r word anymore it's 2020 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @ trol 21:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] rword 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> im a retard 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] you can't directly insult people 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] whether you use retard, nigger, shit, fuck or what ever isn't relevant 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] omg 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] heinrich said the n word 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Screenshotted 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> :kek: :kek: :kek: :kek: 21:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 21:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] The fbi is coming for you @heinrich5991 21:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> nig-ger is Nigeria vs Germany football 21:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] reacting to urself 21:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] And the discordcops will shut us down, stop this risky speech 21:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> It already happened in ZDF 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] discord moderators also are nationalists 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 u must have a hard time playing dota 2 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] its a insult shithole 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i include myself tho 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lots of mothers fucked 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 I wonder how used are whis' skins 21:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> literally 90% of skins are made by whis 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Even mine 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki there's a mute functions for people abusing the chat 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @ᶰ°Konͧsti this whis in this sv is troll right 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> its Whis 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] atlas by whis 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] also beast by his 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] atlas is gone 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> not 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> atlas was doubled 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] several people are typing 21:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> One been deleted 21:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I wonder if valve would license us atlas 21:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 some companies grant you the permission to use some stuff tho 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://odinlaw.com/how-to-add-easter-eggs-to-your-game-legally/#:~:text=Overall%2C%20the%20concept%20of%20Easter,more%20likely%20an%20acceptable%20reference. 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] some quite popular ones were by whis 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Overall, the concept of Easter eggs are legal. But it can be easy to infringe on copyright or trademarks depending on how an Easter egg is implemented. 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] If a developer has its own creation and its own design that mimics an existing mechanic or reference in another game, it’s more likely an acceptable reference. If it references the developer’s own prior works, it’s even more likely acceptable. 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] If a developer extracts an exact model of an asset in another game or clearly recreates its existing design, the developer may be infringing on copyrights of the original creator. Developers cannot and should not copy and paste another’s work. Period. 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] can the skin be considered a easter egg? 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] probably not 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it's not just some one-off animation somewhere in the client 21:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i build easter eggs in any of my maps 21:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] there is a map 21:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] with a anime image 21:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 21:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Theres a map with Osama bin laden image lmfao 21:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Tunak tunak tun 21:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://ddnet.tw/mappreview/?map=Ghoul 21:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xD 21:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] well 21:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] so 21:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] delete ghoul :troll: 21:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] main priority: find a way to contact whis 21:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ah 21:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] did he play as =whis= maybe? 21:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] is this server's CuBe =CuBe=, anyone know htis? 21:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @Whis we need the hugest Designer 21:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Im friends with Whis 21:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> :feelsamazingman: 21:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @CuBe are you =CuBe=? was whis in your clan, do you have contact info? 21:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> yes its cube 21:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @heinrich5991 @Whis is real Whis xD 21:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] please stop that… :/ 21:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> ? 21:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Hes is Definitely real 21:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] unless you actually believe that the whis in this server made the skins that are shipped in ddnet client, please take your offtopic stuff somewhere else 21:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> dude 21:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Im not trolling 21:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] okay, sorry 21:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I was assuming you were 21:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Im friends with Whis and this guy is the real Whis, at least he is having the design skills 21:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] since when does your whis play? 21:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Whis wasnt playing for a long time 21:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] its probably the real whis 21:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i think heinrich doesnt believe it because he assumes the "new" Whis would be a ddoser and racist :feelsbadman: 21:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] thats true too 21:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> but is the real one tho xd maybe he didnt behave like that in the old times 21:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Maybe he just grew to be a racist ddoser? People change in odd ways 21:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> I wonder why im friends with him 21:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> :konstitroll: 22:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 AFAIK, `Knight :3` and `hi_leute_gll` are no longer active at all, so there's probably no way to contact them. 22:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Unless @Melio knows anything more... 22:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 22:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] And by the way, why do you need it for? All skins & maps are going to get licensed finally? 22:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] at least the ones we ship with the client 22:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm in favor of licensing the rest of the maps as well, but the priority is on the stuff we ship with the client 23:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 👍 23:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Bixes is alive 23:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> how to officially give cc0 23:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> ? 23:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @ᶰ°Konͧsti okay, we can make it official now if you want 23:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] allow me to clarify the difference between CC-BY and CC0 quickly 23:30 <+bridge_> [ddnet] CC0 means that anyone can take your map and create a new version of it without crediting you 23:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] CC-BY means that anyone can create a new map out of yours but has to credit you 23:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] personally, I'd probably go for CC-BY for my maps, but you're ofc free to choose 23:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> ok in this case i give CC-BY 23:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] `DuMoH` is also known under the nick `locr1d` if that helps. Either he is the author of https://ddnet.tw/skins/index.php?search=DuMoH or knows who created it 23:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] honestly the client skins couls use some cleaning up, can delete all the ugly unfitting ones 23:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] honestly the client skins could use some cleaning up, can delete all the ugly unfitting ones 23:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] dude heinrich 23:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] why are u again bringing this up 23:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] oh and by the way miper has been posting on teeworlds forum a bit not long ago 23:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] check #admin @jao 23:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] because of steam launch 23:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] what has konsti have to do with steam launch 23:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> im against license but i think giving CC-BY is the same thing were doing tight now 23:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nothing, @ᶰ°Konͧsti wanted to do it by himself 23:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] so how is it related to #admin 23:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] licensing maps and included custom mapres seems like a good idea but sadly I don't think most people would care 23:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] that is not, I thought you were referring to the rest 23:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> big discussion incoming 23:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> xd 23:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yeah @heinrich5991 why are you trying to license maps? did you torture Konsti in a CIA blacksite to let us license his maps? 23:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] how can u be so persistent and annoying about it 23:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i just want to pretend myself from doing Aoe move "IM RAGING DELET MY MAPS" 23:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I mean it is a well known fact that all mappers do indeed hate licensing, they are all hasedic 23:39 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I think anyone who put enough effort into his maps would like to have some control over how it gets used 23:39 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> jao could just add rule "by publishing your map to testing section you give all rights about it do DDNet" xd 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] discussion was finished last time, now he comes again and creates issues about it 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I only created an issue about the skins 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and then only for konsti so that we remember it 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] because steam wouldn't release the client with the copyrighted skins 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I explicitly said "Incomplete list, only if the author contacts us for now." 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i dont care about skins 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] you know turns out, corporations care about licensing 23:40 <+bridge_> [ddnet] honestly, who would have thought 23:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] why are you so against licensing maps? the only downside I see is that people simply wouldn't care and do whatever they want anyway 23:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I certainly didn't spend like 4 hours trying to argue that having licenses to things we publish is better than not having it 23:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Maybe it happens that DDNet becomes popular on Some way and we get problems with licenses? xd 23:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] imagine maptesting when you have to check if any of the parts might be stolen from one of like 1k+ maps 23:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> u dont have 23:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Welf it's not our responsibility if people infringe other peoples licenses 23:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] man u dont have to license our maps for steam 23:43 <+bridge_> [ddnet] or are u going to restrict steam clients to ddnet servers 23:43 <+bridge_> [ddnet] so there is no way people can end up on unlicensed maps 23:43 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah yeah whatever, licenses are the work of devil 23:43 <+bridge_> [ddnet] good that u agree 23:43 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'll go have a sip of holy water to cleanse my tongue of this evil 23:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i dont get it 23:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] we had this discussion already 23:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and u still start it another time 23:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yes, you said it's annoying to mappers, we said we'll make it simple, you said we can't 23:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] discussion had 23:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] there is nothing simple about licenses 23:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Beef between two admins 😂 23:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] LETS GO 23:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> idc but if u gonna go for it i give it 23:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] u dont even know what u opted into 23:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] what im saying 23:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Are you sure Konsti, god forbid, we might do unthinkable things to your map, like releasing it without credit 23:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i said at last 23:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] no one knows what licenses you want to make mappers accept unless u are a lawyer 23:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> CC-BY 23:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Then we can't even not give credit 😦 23:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I honestly want to die every time you say this 23:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] > unless u are a lawyer 23:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] u want to believe everything is that easy 23:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i think credit is important, changing to the maps might be ok 23:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] why is there a 1000 line faq about the license then 23:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> I see myself raging when heinrich changes physics and my maps wont work anymore 23:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Because people might ask questions, god forbid 23:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> With CC-BY u can fix it without me Saying f4 23:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Apparently you don't and you can't possibly understand the implications of CC-BY without having a law degree 23:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] facts 23:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> xd 23:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] You are not a lawyer either, how are you so confident? 23:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i am somewhat of a lawyer myself 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] because there is a reason why lawyers exist 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] It's absolutely batshit insane to think one can't understand anything without having a degree in it. Especially when the entire point is for this to be approachable for the layperson 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] if law was so easy there wouldnt be need for lawyers 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> im jao 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] What do you need? For me to hire a lawyer? 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> change my mind 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] You are Konsti 23:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Changed your mind 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i will trust a lawyer 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Fine I'll get one, which fucking country do you want one in and the fuck do you want him to say? 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Maybe "Trafalgar Law" is a lawyer 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but i wont trust heinrich 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] especially since hes kinda hypocritical 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Maybe "Welf" is a lawyer 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> lmao 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Whatever, heinrich = devil. Country? What do you need verified? 23:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> jao is the best testing Admin 23:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Heinrich is not devil :( 23:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i trust heinrich 23:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] there are some maps with copyrighted images from other games btw, for example that mario map 23:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I honestly can't believe how you can delude yourself into thinking the dozens of actual lawyers that write these licenses don't know shit about copyright law and are just tricking everyone that uses these licenses 23:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ye exaclty 23:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i think u cant even legally license maps 23:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] if they contain tilesets or other maps 23:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Like it's all fun and games, a bunch of lawyers sitting around in a room giggling at how they are fucking all the artists over 23:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I wouldn't mind licensing all custom tilesets in my maps in a way that people have to state if they made changes 23:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] unless the other tilesets or maps have a compatible license 23:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] What is the endgame? Just waiting until enough people use the license so they can activate their trap card "loophole" and stealing everyones art? 23:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Which part of the 23:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Adding licenses, especially if the map/skin creator decides himelf, is not harmful at all, yet not having it might be problem in the unknown yet events in future 23:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] you don't get? Even Konsti got it without problems (no offence & notroll) 23:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] konsti didnt get anything 23:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] he just did it because heinrich said it 23:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah, konsti got scammed by me and heinrich 23:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I didn't say he should license his maps 23:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] that is wrong @jao 23:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] u could have told him anything 23:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet]