08:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Oblikumquat> look at this amazing antiping
08:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Oblikumquat> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/719433423839690772/anti.mp4
11:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] <uwu> I think i have simmilar shit
14:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> anyone got experience with java development and package management?
15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @heinrich5991 do u have problems with maven or gradle?
15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I'm starting a java project for university
15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I'm not experienced with java dependency management
15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> it seems that gradle is the way to go, according to multiple sources
15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> if u have to decide between one, gradle is faster
15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> maven is just xml
15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> gradle is like a lang on its own
15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> so maven is faster?
15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> (is it a typo up there or not?)
15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> gradle is faster
15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> okay
15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> what you want to know exactly?
15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> what I should use. gradle apparently
15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> it looked okay on a second build of my hello world application, took 1s
15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> the first build took 1m30s though, but I guess that's not something I have to do often
15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> first build does some stuff like downloading stuff and so i think
15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> e.g. I want to use https://github.com/FasterXML/jackson-databind/
15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well depends on what you do i guess
15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> do you know how I can add this?
15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> (if it's quick, I guess I'll also be able to figure it out myself, given time)
15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> implementation 'com.jwebmp.jackson.core:jackson-databind:0.66.0.1'
15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://bintray.com/bintray/jcenter/com.jwebmp.jackson.core%3Ajackson-databind
15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> most projects are on these things
15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i guess they are like cdn for java projects
15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> repostories
15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> thats the word i meant
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> Choose dependency snippet: Maven | Gradle | Ivy
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> it shwos how to use it in these 3
15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> yup, thanks, that helps
15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @heinrich5991 sry that is outdated
15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.fasterxml.jackson.core/jackson-databind/2.0.1
15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> this one is updated
15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> you jsuty google jackson-databind gradle
15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> should work for most libs
15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> k, thanks 🙂
15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.fasterxml.jackson.core/jackson-databind/2.11.0
15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> this is the last version
15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> sry
15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> 😄
15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Java is an interesting language regarding dependencies, it's trivial to use, it's not overspimplified like some, but it can get pretty darn slow
15:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> am I downloading binaries or source btw?
15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> what's the default java indentation? (tabs/spaces?)
15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> You are downloading source
15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Well you can also get a binary one I think
15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i think u get the binary
15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Idk which is default but maven can do both
15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> on idea ide you have to download sources by demand
15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> you can download javadocs too
15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://discuss.gradle.org/t/how-do-i-force-gradle-to-download-dependency-sources/34726
15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28404149/how-to-download-javadocs-and-sources-for-jar-using-gradle-2-0
15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> gradle 2.0 is old xd
15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> nice, I can parse json now
15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> thanks @Ryozuki
15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Yep, the default is binary
15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> any idea about the spaces/tabs thing in java?
15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> im sure its tabs
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Does it really matter? I'd just use whatever I'm used to regardless of the language
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> Google: 2 spaces (android is 4 spaces, and 8 for line wraps)
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> Twitter: 2 or 4 spaces (for line wraps)
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> Mozilla: 4 spaces
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> Java: 4 spaces, tabs must be set at 8 spaces. Both are acceptable.
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> source?
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i dont think it matters
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://blog.overops.com/tabs-vs-spaces-how-they-write-java-in-google-twitter-mozilla-and-pied-piper/
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its like c++
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> u can choose
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> mozilla best
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Java is parsed C-like, the whitespaces are not really important to the parser/lexer
15:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> well
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> seems the most normal
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> tabs and at 8 spaces seems like a waste
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> yes, but someitmes there's some standard for projects in xyz anyway
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> e.g. I saw most java projects use { on the same line, so I'm going to do that
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> yeah
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> dont use allman in java
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Except for html, I always use tabs to indent spaces to align so people can view it at whatever indent they like
15:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> nobody does that
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> I do that too, in teeworlds 😉
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> @Ryozuki "no one does that"
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/tree/1.15.x/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> look at this big project
15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> as a good reference
15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> ok they use allman
15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> rip me
15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I think I always have my { on a new line for functions and class declarations
15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xdd
15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Maybe I should migrate to spaces for indents aswell
15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> @heinrich5991 a fun way to learn java is to do stuff for minecraft
15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> i did some plugins for https://www.spigotmc.org/
15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> and for forge
15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> its fun
15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> There was a guy on ##java trying to get Java14 compatible with Java8 so he can avoid having to port minecraft mods
15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xd
15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> Rewrote like a third of the JVM before giving up 😄
15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> im waiting for minecraft to get out of java 8
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> xdd
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> java 14 is the next lts right?
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> y
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> I think I'm using Java 11 for most everything just because mac doesn't like having multiple JDKs...
15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> yay apple
15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> arch supportsm ultiple jdk with a simple script
15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> archlinux-java
15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> even debian supports it with good old update-alternatives
15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> :poggers:
15:56 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Ryozuki> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/719550515649708073/unknown.png
15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> sdkman is quite nice btw
15:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] <Learath2> If you have to maintain multiple versions of things like gradle, java...
19:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] <louis> hi anyone know how i can set up a points system on my server?
19:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] <heinrich5991> afaik you need to use mysql and put map data into the record_maps table