01:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 01:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://github.com/fokkonaut/BlockDDrace/blob/master/src/game/server/entities/projectile.cpp 08:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Forgot my laptop in italy, so I guess no http masters this year :P 09:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Wait what? 😂 09:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @ChillerDragon 😂😂 09:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'll be in turkey for 1-2 months, with no laptop 😱 09:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Buy a new one 09:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I will if my father is willing to pay the price of my stupidity 09:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 09:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] A new laptop isn't in my own budget :P 09:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] No need for a super laptop 09:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 use ur smartphone, ssh into ddnet and code there 09:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lmao 09:06 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :monkaS: 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Coding on a phone sounds horrible, never say such things again 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i seen ppl do it 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] on reddit 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Oh no, I cant ssh to my server on a new laptop 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Fuk 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] well if u can get a big device better 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I did it 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] But pretty hard xd 09:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] its easier if u have a portable keyboard 09:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Especially on a such small screen 09:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah 09:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Atleast I have coffee and food 09:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598047917311262721/JPEG_20190709_090835.jpg 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] muhondo 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Oh nice 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I was so planning to code the next 2 hours 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] But 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i need to find something to code in ddnet 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] How did u forget ur laptot even? xd 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki discord rich presence? 09:09 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 they dont ship linux libs and the sdk is closed source 09:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @archimede67 i woke up late, so I rushed out the gate 09:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Ahha xd 09:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] if i could have a reference linux app 09:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] What do you wanna do with discord rich presence ? 09:10 <+bridge_> [ddnet] show ur race time, team and map 09:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Oh yeah 09:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] If we partner with discord we could add "join game" button aswell 09:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] are you at a airport rn? 09:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] This would be pretty cool to have 09:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] But no discord gamesdk for linux 09:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Sure? 09:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum I'm in another italian city 09:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] hmm 09:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Its a 2 hour round trip 09:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] So if I go back for it I miss my flite 09:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] if you scream allahu akbar at the top of your lungs in a crowded area i pay u a new laptop 09:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] So not worth getting detained 09:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I need to be studying anyway, better no laptop 09:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Lmao 09:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Are u ok @Im 'corneum ? 😂 09:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Stupid math analysis 2 is ridiculously hard 09:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Analysis :pepeH: 09:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] how far would u go learath 09:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] In my school everyone hates math analysis 09:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum I wouldnt go far at all, my father is a softie 09:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] is he with u 09:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @archimede67 only thing good about analysis is that they shorten it as MAnal 09:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 these are all windows lib right 09:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598050004485275649/unknown.png 09:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum no, but he is the one thats going to pay for a new laptop 09:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki dylib is macOS 09:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] foken shit 09:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Bundle is cocoa iirc also osx 09:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] .lib is windows 09:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 😂 09:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] So stupid that they have libraries at all 09:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] They should have used a socket like everyone else 09:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yeah 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] im sure the socket is used in the sdk 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but its closed source 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess I'll browse reddit for 2 hours 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] shit companies 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki hmm could also be using shared memory under the hood 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] im not doing this if its windows only 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] stallman wouldnt be happy 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :D 09:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :toptri: 09:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Old discord sdk did have linux support 09:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Maybe they'll stop being dickheads and port the new sdk over aswell 09:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] old sdk was also open source 09:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] a sdk not being open source 09:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] is retarded 09:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Well the whole platform is closed source 09:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I really dont approve of discord, only reason i use it is peer pressure 09:24 <+bridge_> [ddnet] m2 09:24 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lets go to irc 09:24 <+bridge_> [ddnet] See one thing irc is horrible at is mobile 09:24 <+bridge_> [ddnet] No good irc clients on mobile 09:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] And I think it'd be pretty hard to code a battery efficient one 09:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] omg 09:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nimda is not giving me voice 09:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i cant chat on ddnet irc 09:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 i think nimda broke 09:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 i dont think so 09:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] unless u use electron 09:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Nimda has been broken for long 09:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] has ddnet updated to debian 10? 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :poggers: 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yes 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Well the protocol requires you to reply to pings on irc @Ryozuki 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :poggers: 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598052616991408128/unknown.png 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] except Brazil failed because the hoster is providing a broken image that fails to boot after upgrading to Debian 10 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Not really background friendly 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nice 09:27 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @deen what was broken with the image btw? 09:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and the hoster just told me that they will not fix it and we should switch to their most expensive "cloud" offering instead 09:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] uhh 09:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] doesn't boot anymore, I can't see anything, even on VNC 09:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] is there lot of ppl in brazil sv 09:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] They claim they see " relocation error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __libc_readline_unlocked, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference", but I'm not sure where 09:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] What a shitty service 09:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] well its brazil 09:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xd 09:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm not even sure what kind of a VPS this is, maybe something OpenVZ based 09:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] does anyone here have a rpi4 09:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] In South Africa I also couldn't reboot, opened a ticket and they literally fixed it in 2 min 09:30 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki I'm thinking of getting one for a media center kinda thing 09:30 <+bridge_> [ddnet] im also planning on getting one 09:30 <+bridge_> [ddnet] u can choose 1 2 or 4 gb ram 09:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'll make the older rpi a magic mirror as soon as I learn how to wood 09:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 i just bought a brand new expensive tv and found out it only has 100 Mbit/s ethernet, so no luck streaming high quality content... 09:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Wow what a letdown, is it an 2019 model? 09:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 100 mb in 2019 09:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 2018, but they still do the same in their 2019 model 09:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah not having a gigabit port in an 2019 model would be sad 09:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Even in 2018 a non gigabit ethernet port was uncommon 09:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] So now I have to move my router/wifi access point through half the apartment because their wifi antenna is also shitty and that's the only way to get a stable connection 09:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] today my upload is slow :troll: 09:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598054038529114112/unknown.png 09:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'd return it to be honest with you 09:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Oh actually @deen try a chromecast ultra 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm very pleased with mine 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 do u even watch tv 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] wait 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] fast.com is powered by netflix? xd 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yes 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki I cast netflix, youtube, twitch and anime to tv :P 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] the trick is that fast.com uses the same servers as netflix so the isp can't throttle netflix without throttling the speed test 09:34 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Also have spotify permanently on 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 u live alone righty 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i wouldnt watch anime in my tv xd 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it looks like its broken for me xd 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it shows 240 Kbps 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki I live alone ye 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] good internet 09:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and isn't moving 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] One of the benefits of living alone is you no longer need to be concerned with what others think of what you are watching 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] whereas speedtest.net i have 100 Mbps for both upload and download 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 hi captain obvius 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :feelsbadman: 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I mean took me a while to notice 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 well i dont have to pay my internet 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nor the apartment 09:36 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ☺ 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Well technically I dont pay either my parents do 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :justatest: 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Atleast as long as I'm studying 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :troll: 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] so u will study until 30 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I could, but I'd feel bad 09:37 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lmao 09:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I dont think I'll bother with a masters degree tbh 09:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm already getting bored of bachelors 09:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Some companies require Masters though even you'll never use anything you learned there 09:38 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 09:39 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598055485983162377/Srp8OV6HDOM6gpCMe2yEb1Xuh7YwbnC6nJD7VqUZ3CQ.png 09:39 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 😂 09:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @deen does it usually matter what kinda masters? Could go for a mba 09:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki RIP 09:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I found a dumbass asking around our exam question for algorithms and programming in ##C 09:43 <+bridge_> [ddnet] We get to fix our code after the exam and submit the working version 09:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] We usually have requirements like "University degree (Bachelor or Master) in computer science, physics, mathematics, or comparable" 09:44 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Horrible 09:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess it depends on what you apply to though 09:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess I'll have to do a masters 09:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Nah 😄 09:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 they don't send your laptop to turkey by package post? 09:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I dont even know what I want to work as nowadays 09:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @n000b it's in my house, locked, I dont really know how I could get it posted to me 09:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @deen how did you decide? 09:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Your house in Italy😮 09:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] how did I decide what? 09:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I wanted to do gamedev but those people are overworked to death, web/app development is an easy job search but I think I'd get bored in a week 09:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I just pretended we still have a Diplom, which was basically Bachelor + Master, so just kept going 09:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 so go for systems development? 09:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] What does a systems development person do? What kind of systems are we talking about? :P 09:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 look at this 09:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598058573695680513/D_A10q1XYAA77kF.png 09:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @deen I meant as in how did you decide what to do after your degree 09:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki l m a o, fukin windows 09:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I did a cycling trip and camped close to Walldorf, which reminded me that SAP is headquartered there, so I decided to apply. 2 weeks later I had a job offer 😄 09:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Sounds about like what I heard from others 09:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] It seems that these things just happen on their own 09:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and they convinced me that they're doing cool stuff. Modern C++, high performance code, working together closely with Intel etc to try out new hardware and optimize for it, generating code at runtime for the execution engine etc 09:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lots of fun stuff to get lost in for a few years 09:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] not as boring as I imagined initially 😄 09:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] That actually does sound fun, some kind of c++ jit? 09:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and competent colleagues, I think about half of them have a PhD 09:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I cant even imagine working through a phd 09:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] We have a C++-template based DSL that is embedded into the regular C++ code that we translate into our own LLVM-based language on the customer site 09:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] so that we can optimize their queries better 09:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] You were doing database stuff right? 09:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yeah, it's the HANA db 09:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I never thought about it, but do databases really require such high performance? 09:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Well, our customers already buy dozens of TBs of RAM so they can hold their entire business data in memory, so I guess they want performance 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lol 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] using ram as storage 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :poggers: 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] we're an in-memory db, so yeah 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah ram is blazing fast 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I dont think even the best ssds come close 09:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ofc not 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Intel has some NVM storage which sits inbetween RAM and SSDs in performance 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i got a nvme ssd 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] that's something different 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah uses like 8 lanes of pcie 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :o 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-volatile_memory 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Talking about optane right? 10:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ah i see 10:01 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah, I guess they renamed it to Optane. 11:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] wait so your are working at SAP @deen ? And its FUN c++ ?! le nice 11:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I mean C++ is still crazy, but you can use it more reasonably, for example no explicit new/delete, no C strings etc 11:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] No explicit new? How else do you do allocations? Only smart pointers? 11:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] exactly 11:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and RAII 11:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Smart pointers are so cool, very low overhead 11:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] if the code contains new, you can forget the delete 11:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but if you use RAII or a unique_ptr you can't 11:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Never really used RAII with anything 11:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] And we use C++17, but have our custom STL implementation with extra features 11:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] You really do live on the bleeding edge :D 11:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm barely caught up with C++14 11:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] we even have some experimental features implemented and usable that are planned for C++2a 😄 11:28 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Do you also write proposals for the c++ standards commitee? 11:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Nope, unfortunately we don't have anyone there I think 11:29 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess since we're not really bound to what the STL does anyway 11:30 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess having your own stl is nice 11:30 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Is it closed source? 11:31 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yeah, and not really useful outside of our use case 11:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @ChillerDragon e.g. the team masks 11:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @fokkonaut said it was even easier to support vanilla than ddnet client and i dont thinnk we have to support all old ddnet versions we can tell them to update for betert expierence 11:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] It was ofc easier to support vanilla 11:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] how do those masks work? are they like these bit masks having one bit for every tee? 11:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Vanilla has no features 11:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah they are bitmasks per tee and per team 11:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Thats why there are max 64 teams 11:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I see 11:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I wonder how fokkonaut handled those, I'm guessing arrays but that would be a hit to performance 11:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] And a lot of ram usage 11:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Maybe bitfields 11:58 <+bridge_> [ddnet] do we even need more than 64 teams? I dont think so 11:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Well one team per tee is what we need so every tee can have a team 11:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] fro what? for solo? 11:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] At the very least half max clients so people can dummy 11:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] im fine with 128 slots 11:59 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and 64 teams 12:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Still need larger bitfields anyway 12:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] for what cases? 12:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] can we use two masks? 12:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] There is also a mask per tee in teams 12:00 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Each team has a mask that indicates which tees are in said team 12:01 <+bridge_> [ddnet] isnt a long long 128 or something like that 12:01 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Not guaranteed to be 12:01 <+bridge_> [ddnet] maybe a lib? 12:02 <@deen> wait, you're adding 128 players? 12:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] thinking about it 12:02 <@deen> Why not 256? 12:02 <@deen> :D 12:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] maybe 128 is easier xd 12:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Maybe a lib? Dont need a lib c++ has bitfields 12:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] no for 128 12:02 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah might aswell go for 256 while at it 12:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i remember sqlite had some own datatypes 12:03 <@deen> gcc and clang provide __int128_t 12:03 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah but is that portable enough for our taste? Dont think we use compiler specifics anywhere 12:03 <@deen> If we're just using them as a bitfield don't really need it 12:03 <@deen> can just use an array of uint64_ts 12:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Yeah but makes the indexing weird 12:04 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Accessing it directly is undefined behaviour as you arent allowed to shift > CHAR_BIT * sizeof(type) 12:05 <@deen> There is a 128players branch already btw: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commits/128players 12:05 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Accessing as a big int I mean 12:05 <@deen> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/c5a191cfeb1cce72bf0b8f411bb8dfbcb0fcdac7 and https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/919066e89f94cd8450caf6ce09c179d35650fb75 12:06 <@deen> looks like I didn't do that much :D 12:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] The scoreboard prolly becomes a mess with more then 64 12:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] yea 12:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I need my glasses to read 64 at native resolution :P 12:07 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xxd 12:08 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i mean who bothers to read all names in 128 servers anayways maybe set a max of 64 12:09 <@deen> I'm not sure if you can get away with staying single-threaded 12:09 <@deen> 64 players already puts some CPUs above 50%, both client and server 12:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Client can just clip a little, should help with the performance 12:11 <+bridge_> [ddnet] at this point just do unlimited player numbers 12:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] bit masks aren't really used IIRC 12:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] For server, yeah itd be tough for our weak servers 12:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] add some "policies" or whatever to call them instead 12:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] e.g. NOT_CLIENT(id), TEAM(nr), EVERYONE 12:12 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Unlimited players would be a lot of work with hard to predict performance 12:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Lots of arrays of size MAX_CLIENT to change to vectors 12:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Would mean adding a whole lot of stl code into the codebase 12:13 <+bridge_> [ddnet] that's more performant than arrays, probably 12:13 <@deen> feel free to add stl code 12:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] e.g. we're wasting a shitton of memory in the server browser because we pretend every server has 64 clients 12:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I highly doubt that the vectors are more performant then arrays 12:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] More memory efficient sure 12:14 <+bridge_> [ddnet] At best they can match arrays in performance 12:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] they can be better because they know how large they are and we don't need to allocate so much memory 12:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] okay, not a lot by todays standards, but roughly 25MB are wasted in the server browser because we use arrays and not vector 12:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] (or a heap) 12:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] As I said, they are surely better in memory footprint 12:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and thus better in performance, if stuff fits better together 😉 12:17 <@deen> Learath2: but then you end up caching lots of useless memory and that hurts performance 12:17 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Also maybe O(1) insertions depending on implementation 12:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 hmm I wouldnt really call a lower memory footprint better performance 12:18 <+bridge_> [ddnet] see deen's message 12:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I'm really skeptical that the bad cache performance is that significant, with these things you generally never know until you try 12:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] you were the one who called out vectors having bad performance 😛 12:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] (i.e. you were starting the cycle count competition) 12:20 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I didnt say they had bad performance, I said I doubt they perform better then arrays 12:21 <+bridge_> [ddnet] E.g. I didnt state anything with any certainty, if I had evidence I'd call them out, as I dont I just state my hypothesis 12:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] oh okay, sorry ^^ 12:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] And I base it on the fact that arrays are just blocks of memory we access directly while vectors are bound to have some stl overhead 12:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] stl has little (no?) overhead over malloc 12:22 <+bridge_> [ddnet] afk lunch 12:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I can at the very least imagine an extra comparison to check bounds of a vector 12:23 <@deen> use [] instead of at() and you get no bounds check 12:23 <+bridge_> [ddnet] If we are comparing cycles that is 12:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Oh great, I got off at the wrong station 12:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] haha #dev too interesting 12:25 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Hate the stupid metro in milan skipping stops when it feels like it 12:26 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I mean they do announce it in italian, but I dont speak much italian let alone conductor italian 12:32 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I guess I'll start looking at laptops 12:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I sent that message like hours ago 12:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Thanks mobile discord 12:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] the laptop one? 12:33 <+bridge_> [ddnet] you mean discord messed up ther order of messages? or am i not getting the context here? xd 12:35 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Discord didnt just mess up the order, i guess it had some exponential backoff, so it completely forgot about that message 12:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] XD 13:15 <+bridge_> [ddnet] im late 13:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] c++20 best 13:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] spaceship operator 13:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] <=> 13:16 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xd 13:19 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Spaceship operator is sth i've been looking for for a long time 13:41 <+bridge_> [ddnet] is it my botclient or your new sys that make my client lighttheme all the time @Learath2 ? :c 13:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] No idea wym 13:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] TIL there is nfc in passports 14:11 <@deen> you can put your passport in the microwave and turn it on for a few seconds. Then you get to act suprised at the airport when they wonder why it's not scanning anymore and instead you get a 2 hour questionning for free :) 14:39 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i will buy the new .dev domain to be cool 14:42 <+bridge_> [ddnet] The machine readable stripe still would scan deen 14:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] But i guess itd be a redflag that the chip is fucked with no visible cracks 14:50 <@deen> This is the story I was referring to btw: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/14/germans-are-so-scared-of-surveillance-they-microwave-their-id-cards/ 15:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] This will be very very offtopic 15:45 <+bridge_> [ddnet] But wtf is wrong with european people? Why cant they use toilets properly? 15:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ur mixing something up with india 15:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Seriously havent seen a single clean public bathroom in europe 15:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 😂 15:46 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ah wait they dotn have any toilets 15:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] I mean still better then turkey, but as the peak of civilization they should know better 15:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] i dont think europe is the peak civilisation 15:47 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Learath2 you are in italy right 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] when i went to rome, i found the city to be really really dirty 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] and so i hoped i came back to barcelona all days 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Ryozuki rn ye, but ive been all around eu 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] look at korea and japan. arent japans toilets knows for being extravagant 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] look at korea and japan. arent japans toilets known for being extravagant 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Japans shittiest toilet was better then the toilet at my house 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] japan toilet has a stream of water going upwards ur ass 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] to clean it 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lmao 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] thats just a bidet 15:48 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nono 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] its a toilet 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] trust me 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] have u been in France 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Korea too, fuckin train station toilet so clean you could sleep on it 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] idk im not really far into the toilet lore 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum they got all sort of tech 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598148714611343364/japan_toilet.png 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] in their toilet 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] this is urs 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum asian countries use a toilet+bidet combination 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/598148787172671521/11.png 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] this 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] they clean ur ass 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xdd 15:49 <+bridge_> [ddnet] lmao 15:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] do they make you gay and want to watch anime? 15:50 <+bridge_> [ddnet] sure 15:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] in my life i encoutered 2 fully shat on, like absoulutely destroyed toilets. but i think the pictures are nsfw 15:51 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Havent experienced such side effects 15:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] In highschool there was a guy that shat on the floor for a week straight 15:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] We never found out who it was 15:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] it looked lik ethe person couldnt hold it any longer and just opened the door and shat in the rough direction of the toilet 15:52 <+bridge_> [ddnet] xdd 15:53 <+bridge_> [ddnet] that sounds like the guy who didi it posted it on 4chan later as a greentext learath xd 15:54 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Its the only interesting story i have from highschool thatd be worthy of greentexting 15:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nothing like that happened at our school. one teacher got crazy and it was rumored she went into a mental hospital that the director came into every class and said it wasnt so. still seems kinda fishy to me 15:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] nothing like that happened at our school. one teacher got crazy and it was rumored she went into a mental hospital so the director came into every class and said it wasnt so. still seems kinda fishy to me 15:55 <+bridge_> [ddnet] :D 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] typical philosopher teacher 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] We had teachers smoking with kids on lunch break 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] what age 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Very illegal to smoke on school premises 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] bcs thats normal at my school too 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] but were all 18+ 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Highschoolers obv 15:56 <+bridge_> [ddnet] Not 18+ 15:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet] ok 15:57 <+bridge_> [ddnet]