01:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] old devices will still support opengl 01:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] 01:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/461679395665477642/Da1vM4DU8AA8qGm.png 01:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] lul 02:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> new cleint is pretty buggy 02:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> takes lots of time to reload 02:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> and when i alt tab 02:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> it freezes for some seconds 02:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] alt tab is windows bug 02:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] or "feature" xd 02:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] doesnt freeze for me 04:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> never happened 04:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> to me 04:20 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> lagging like this 04:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] @|UroboroS| Rockus.~ ok Windows settings -> system -> focus assist (the one with the moon as icon) -> disable the automatic rules 04:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] 04:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] tell that anybody who uses windows, all happy 04:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> what does that do 09:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] what does it do @Jupstar ✪ 09:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] I remember alt tab started being slow after a windows update 09:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] for me 12:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] Exactly, this happens since an april update 13:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] It fixes ofc 13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] or borderless 13:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] will help as well 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Jupstar ✪ did u just recommended me to buy a new computer? My macbook is not state of the art but very close to it. And dropping macOS isn't a good idea. We have some very important tees using mac as their only and or main machine. 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes i highly recommend you buying a new PC, so you aren't a slave for apple anymore, np. 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] As soon as apple dropped OpenGL support i don't see a reason why we should support it. Or do you want to write a metal backend and give apple, what they wanted... the right to controll your software 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont use my macbook as the main machine but its the only laptop i own that can run teeworlds with nice fps 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] because apple is nice 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] i spend 3 times the price on the razer blade pro and it cant run teeworlds half as smooth as my macbook can 15:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] also my ubuntu laptop sucks at it 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] xDDDDDDDD razer nice 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] much better 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] it runs windows 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] and has a 1080 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] dude u generally buy overprived hardware? 15:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] no 15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] my ubuntu laptop cost only 500 and is from lenovo 15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] then install linux on your macbook, then its good xd 15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] ._. 15:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah sry, but i don't give apple any existence, i never seen something not "dick move" from them 15:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] the os is beatiful 15:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] i can't argue on that, but i'm ok with tastes, if you like it ok. but that doesn't mean every developper should care about it, or needs to change its software because the maintainer changes something so common 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] opengl is the so highly accepted currently 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's just a sad dick move 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] ye i agree the openGL support breakup sucks 15:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] even most embedded system run it 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] i agree 15:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i also run windows on my main machine currently 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] but there are many interesting and important people who are even more die hard apple fans than me and loosing these dudes is not good .-. 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] indeed 15:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] strange ppl xD 15:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] if linux or even better FreeBSD would get over 50% marketshare on desktop pcs... i wouldn't see any reason for any other OS XD 17:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] Vulcan is the future 17:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] i saw "Apple" I gave up 17:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] 2muchCancer4me 18:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] 🏳 🥖 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] Vulkan is actually pretty nice stuff 18:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's much lower overhead then OGL 18:49 <+Learath2> and it's not apple's work btw, it's mostly work by AMD donated to some non-profit 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> no 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> it is slow 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> form e 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> now that i updated teeworlds 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> it's different 20:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> not windwos update 20:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] lower overhead? 21:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] Vulkan actually is lower than OGL in design 21:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] i gives more controll over your graphic application, but doesnt need to be faster. it depends on what you need and how well the dev codes it 21:06 <+bridge> [ddnet] Yea, lowe. but it means that you need to write more stuff before making triangle 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] For me, actually super beginner, OpenGL is much simpler 21:07 <+bridge> [ddnet] But Khronos Group made some wrappers I guess 21:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] ofc opengl is simpler, vulkan is supposed to give more lower level access thus less overhead 21:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] but in exchange you give up more simplicity 21:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe i didn't understand your first statement. For me Vulcan give me more overhead, since i need to know much more to just start 21:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] but you are right 21:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] I meant overhead as in the library creating overhead for operations not development overhead 21:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes vulkan does create a lot more development overhead 21:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] Maybe i didn't understand your first statement. For me Vulcan give me more overhead, since i need to know much more just to start 21:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] <|UroboroS| Rockus.~> geuss ill just not update anymore then xd 22:04 <+bridge> [ddnet] That's the solution, ya