01:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] or someone could go ahead and figure out what actually causes the velramp crash, I couldn't really debug it 07:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 gdb? 07:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] debug build of course 08:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] the thing is recreating the crash 08:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] when i talked with learath we couldnt find how 08:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] even setting the same tune zone values 08:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] it happened on official servers? 08:59 <+bridge> [ddnet] then we should have core dumps 09:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] if testservers count as official... 10:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes i think on official 12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9084277 12:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] tunes used in maps 12:12 <@deen> quite a few negative values, see 12:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] we surpassed 400GB of uncompressed teehistorian data yesterday 13:02 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Apply my fix @heinrich5991 13:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] @heinrich5991 is that a new record or what 14:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum no, it just accumulates more and more data 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I guess we'll have 1.0TB of uncompressed data by february 2019 or so 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] aah 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] is it stored on some of the admins personal harddrives? 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 14:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] yours? 😄 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] and on @Learath2's and @deen's 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] so, you guys just constantly have a download going on forever now? 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] kinda 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] couple of times per day 14:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats kind of funny tbh 😄 14:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] why dont you only save finishes and when you have 1tb full it deletes the oldest recordings (non finish) 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] because we wanted to be able to accurately replay finishes 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> teehsitorian sucks 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] so you want the movements before entring the startline 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 14:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> yes 14:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.amazon.de/Seagate-Desktop-interne-Festplatte-SATA/dp/B005T3GRNW 14:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] thats only 100€ to harddrives per year from now on then 14:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] im sure u can get a better deal with some aws services 14:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] amazon sells some super cheap storage as far as i know 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://diskprices.com/ 14:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum I mirror these files across two hard drives, so one can fail. I also have mirrored backups of these files 😛 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] mirrored means? 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] the same file is on two hard drives, so if one fails, we still have that file 14:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] aah 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] back when I designed teehistorian, I made a quick estimate of ~1GB/day 14:39 <+Learath2> on the slight chance that any of you here know physics... could a massless spring conserve mechanical energy? :P 14:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] we deemed that acceptable, so that we could buy hard drives faster than we accumulated data 🙂 14:40 <+Learath2> also heinrich5991 my cron apparently failed again... 14:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] as i understand mechanical energy. almost everything conserves it 14:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] no wait im confused with potential energy now 14:42 <+Learath2> yeah but a massless spring can't store any kinetic energy, pull on it with F, you do work F(dx) it gets energy 1/2k(dx)^2, there is 1/2kx_max amount of energy missing 14:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] so youre wondering if it would bounce back at all after pulling on it? 14:44 <+Learath2> it would always bounce back, I'm wondering whether it would keep going after I let go of it (impossible as it cant have any kinetic energy) and also wondering where is the other half of the energy going 14:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] there are no massless springs 14:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] aah 14:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] and there are also no massless cars in the vacuum speeding on the highway 14:45 <+Learath2> we do assume that in a lot of elementary physics questions 14:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] but in physics lessons, we have models 😉 14:45 <+Learath2> also no massless strings :P 14:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] but don't you have a mass attached to the massless spring? 14:46 <+Learath2> nope 14:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2's doesn't 14:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have another question: if i have a stick thats 1 lightyear long and one one end there is a button and i push the other end, didnt i transfer information faster than light? 14:47 <+Learath2> there is some energy missing and it kinda bothers me, I account it to "A non-real construct does not need to obey to the conservation of energy" but not sure if that's valid 14:47 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, because the stick on the other side doesn't move at the same time 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] you'd compress the stick instead 14:48 <+Learath2> say the stick is completely incompressable :) 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] it can't be incompressable 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] black hole stick 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] 😄 14:48 <+Learath2> the perfect stick, an ideal stick :D 14:48 <+bridge> [ddnet] otherwise you'd have faster than light communication 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] yea, this is where this model displays inconsistent statements with reality 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] like: when we add speeds, it's fine in day-to-day physics 14:49 <+bridge> [ddnet] when we do it on relativistic levels, it's not 14:51 <+Learath2> I find the laser pointer one much nicer btw, take laser pointer, point it to the moon, with a flick you can move the dot from one end of the moon to the other, what sorcery? 14:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] not really i think 14:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] would light, in this lenth, be like a floppy water stream? 14:53 <+Learath2> not really, light always takes the shortest route 14:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 Just an apparent motion, not a real one, like moving a stick diagnoally at c 14:54 <+Learath2> deen: yeah, still kinda cute that you can actually have sth moving faster then light 14:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] you can have things move faster than light in diamond 😛 14:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] it's only 200 000 km/s in there 😛 14:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] because light is slower there... 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] but in truth the light is same speed, it's just bouncing around, right? 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fSqFWcb4rE is this real? 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] but the trick is to film it millions of times 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] and take a photo at different times 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] in each filming 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] wow 14:55 <+Learath2> actually, they also used reconstruction 14:55 <+bridge> [ddnet] so it's not a single light stream you're watching 14:56 <+Learath2> from what i understood from a paper that's definitely above my understanding of physics that is 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] couldnt i just use a lot of cameras that are alligned inbetween their fps and make it a one taker. if i somehow manage to make them look through one lense? 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] i thought their main problem is storing the data quickly enough 14:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] and how do you plan to switch the lens? you have a mirror that's moving faster than light? 14:58 <+Learath2> they'd need to store around a petabyte of data per second with horrible bitrate, i really think it's mostly reconstructed from the few frames they grab 15:00 <+Learath2> physics while fun to discuss, is pretty darn boring to study sadly 15:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] most of science is boring 15:01 <+Learath2> natural sciences yeah I guess not too fun 15:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, i meant there are a lot of people that say the like science and its so fun. but tbh its just the results of it thats cool. who actually cares how exactly they landed on the moon in detail? 15:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] no, i meant there are a lot of people that say they like science and its so fun. but tbh its just the results of it thats cool. who actually cares how exactly they landed on the moon in detail? 15:04 <+Learath2> I'd read that one, what's boring for me is all the memorization for memorizations sake 15:04 <+Learath2> especially in biology for example, all you do is memorizing random shit 15:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 I guess I was lucky with my "Modern Physics for Computer Scientists". It was more about discussing fun concepts, how they can be used for CS, and not so much math and theory behind 😄 15:08 <+bridge> [ddnet] biology is really cool, but I never remembered the names indeed 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] I really liked biology in high school but I'm sure it's the reason that I can't remember anything nowadays, it burned my temporal lobe 😛 15:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] (I had physics as minor in BS, biology as minor in MS) 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] Getting Phys1 now :/ I should actually study for that one 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/ 15:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] See for example 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] dna is really impressive, they even have a stopcode, it's like someone actually coded it 😛 15:14 <+bridge> [ddnet] funny how nature came to the same conclusion we came to in computer science 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] and i barely made it through grade 10 and didn't even try a-level. 15:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440501712038395904/1523739529421.png 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] why doesn everyone in TW study until age 25 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] doesn = does or doesn't? 15:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh. does* 15:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] 18 when finished with high school, 1 year break, 3 years bachelor, 2 years master = 24 15:19 <+bridge> [ddnet] 16 when i finished school. started working from then on 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] at least i dont work at Mc donalds 15:21 <+bridge> [ddnet] Linux nerds play TW because nothing else works on Linux, and they keep studying because they are too lazy to work 😄 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] they could as well start neet life if they are too lazy 15:22 <+bridge> [ddnet] dropping school and starting working can be a deadly mistake if you lose your one job 15:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] employers like diplomas for some reason, even tho they are pointless imho 15:23 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk where you live but its not a regular job. you just kind of switch between school and work and after 3.5 years you get your diploma 15:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] well, not useless, you prove that you can pick up new topics and study, and end up with some related education that might be relevant for the job 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if thats a german thing or if every country does it so 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] and how does that relate to my ability to code in C? I'm yet to learn anything interesting and I doubt the math analysis will be of any use in my future 15:25 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum it's quite popular in Germany ("Ausbildung"), and originated in the middle ages in Europe for the city jobs that needed a few years of training 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Im 'corneum now that one sounds useful 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 In CS there's obviously a disconnect, since most CS people end up in software engineering instead 15:26 <+bridge> [ddnet] after i have that diploma i can start the same kind of job at anothe rplace but i dont have to learn it first so i can make real money. 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] "real money" its not a lot but its more than only 860€ per month 15:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] I'm actually studying CEng, which seems to have even more of a disconnect then usual 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] disconnect? 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] what does it mean? 15:28 <+bridge> [ddnet] plug out lan cable and wait 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] disconnect as in the things we learn at school are not really useful to the jobs we end up doing 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] ah 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @deen pls fix my map GetSpeed2 and delete first rank 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440505024515145748/GetSpeed2.map 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 15:29 <+bridge> [ddnet] isnt that snails job 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> snail lazy 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] changelog: 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] + added new skips 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> On my own map? 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> lul 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] xd 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] I wouldn't put it beyond you 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] you had a lot of false teleporters on intercepter 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @Im 'corneum there wasnt even 1 wrong tele on Intercepter 15:30 <+bridge> [ddnet] @snail ^^ 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] @ᶰ°Konͧsti HMH made a tool to detect them and he said your map had a lot of them 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> On Intercepter are some fake blocks 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> for secret rooms 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> who cares 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] i dont trust you 15:31 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> I trust me 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> i dont trust botters like u 15:32 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> lol 15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am not a botter 15:33 <+bridge> [ddnet] anymore 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> once a botter allways a botter 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> u r not trustworthy 15:34 <+bridge> [ddnet] scaming a admin for fakeranks sure is trustworthy 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] rule #2 never trust konsti 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] you idiot didnt even want to pay him @ᶰ°Konͧsti 15:35 <+bridge> [ddnet] what is rule 1 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] dont bot 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] never give sp someone rcon 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] oh 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Bad rule 15:36 <+bridge> [ddnet] are there more inofficial rules like this? 😄 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] rule #3 never trust snail 15:37 <+bridge> [ddnet] rule #0 trust my rules 15:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] zero means it doesnt count 15:40 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> rule 0,5: use zooz 15:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] find me sth to eat for breakfast pls 15:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] try toilet paper with cocoa pulver 15:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] thanks 16:00 <+bridge> [ddnet] @Learath2 i think heinrich was against the change konsti just posted because it uses a glitch 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] im not "lazy" i just dont forget things 1 week after they happened @ᶰ°Konͧsti n 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] nice try tho 16:01 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Like dozens of maps using glitches 16:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] is there any chance that someone here used pcsx2 emulator for windows? 16:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] i did long time ago 16:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] why? 16:43 <+bridge> [ddnet] i bot everyday 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] i am to retarded to use it. it kind of worked yesterday. but now i changed a bit and nothing works anymore. ffs i only want to play gran tourismo 4 again.:feelsbadman: anyway. iam on their forum now. 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] gran turismo 16:44 <+bridge> [ddnet] good old memories 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] ikr. 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] tekken 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] mmm 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] fifa street 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] i have 3 copies of gran tourismo4 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] budokai 16:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] i also got shitload of ps2 games but the ps2 is broken 16:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] :danAmazing: 16:46 <+bridge> [ddnet] yeah. my ps2 can only play a few games anymore and gt4 was the first that wnet down. thats why i bought new copis bcs i hoped its the disc 16:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i got like 2 ps2's that i never use 16:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] send 16:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] its like fifteen euros here 16:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] XD 16:50 <+bridge> [ddnet] i got them since like 2012 16:51 <+bridge> [ddnet] i even have the old logitech wheel with the GT logo. still works great 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] i remember the game 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] rc revenge 16:52 <+bridge> [ddnet] all the other games used to work (before i fucked up the emulator) just gt4 didnt and its the only game i care for >.< 16:53 <+bridge> [ddnet] gta sa was fun 17:18 <+bridge> [ddnet] I preferred gta sa on pc 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537500684124170/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_16-39-51.demo 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537502634213376/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_16-30-44.demo 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537504404340752/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_16-31-22.demo 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537505734066176/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_16-24-38.demo 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:38 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537505998176266/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_17-07-11.demo 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] can some1 open these demos 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537567168036893/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_17-07-11.demo 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440537602530213888/flying2fruity_2018-04-30_16-39-51.demo 17:39 <+bridge> [ddnet] recorded with ddnet 11.1.4 win32 on win10 17:41 <+bridge> [ddnet] something wrong with your disk? 17:42 <+bridge> [ddnet] the CRC of the map inside the demo is wrong, so likely the map wasn't written properly 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] my disk works fine 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] i newly donwloaded the map 17:57 <+bridge> [ddnet] but since i could play fine on the server it had no problems i guess 18:22 < ddnet-commits> [ddnet] def- pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vpR6j 18:22 < ddnet-commits> ddnet/master 8225077 def: Explicit type conversion 18:24 <+bridge> [ddnet] should have used a `!!` to make it confusing 18:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] should have used `!a!=!!b` to make it look extra sexy 18:54 <+bridge> [ddnet] then maybe it's taking the wrong map into the demo. have a way to reproduce @ChillerDragon ? 19:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> :feelsbadman: 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen unique ger fly server and as i said win10 ddnet 11.1.4 fresh download of flying2fruity 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] i didnt try agian im not at pc anymore 21:45 <+bridge> [ddnet] can i use bots and not get banned 22:03 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, just play on your own server and not on DDNet 22:27 <+bridge> [ddnet] @deen can i bot on fake name and not get banned in my main name 22:58 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @deen pls convince @qshar reenable https download on Kog servers, my brother say a real gores player already have all gores maps :feelsbadman: 23:05 <+bridge> [ddnet] why did he disable it in the first place? 23:09 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Incompalibility with [boz]clients 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> Incompalibility with [bot]clients 23:11 <+bridge> [ddnet] ? if http downloads are on on a server you cant use bot clients? 23:12 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> He said some nobo clients 2 bad 23:13 <+bridge> [ddnet] it doesn't even make sense wtf, http downloads are a client feature 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> @Learath2 23:15 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293493549758939136/440622204464529409/Screenshot_20180430-231215.png 23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] how can he even disable it 😛 If it's on our map server you can do http download from our server with ddnet client 23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] idk if we have KoG maps on there though 23:16 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> nobo 23:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] <ᶰ°Konͧsti> he disabled on KoG servers 23:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] he can't 23:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] fokkobot is lying 23:17 <+Henningstone> aren't you guys maybe talking about fastdl instead of http download? 23:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] if the map is available on maps.ddnet.tw it will be downloaded from there 23:17 <+bridge> [ddnet] yes, if it's fastdl there are some badly coded shitclients that fail on it 😛