17:16 < goo> hi 17:16 <@deen> hi 17:16 <@deen> Servers running fine? 17:16 < goo> i think so, last night they were lagging badly, then everyone timed except me and the lag was gone 17:17 <@deen> =/ 17:17 < goo> also it gets top5 much quicker now 17:17 <@deen> Yes, I moved the databases to all servers 17:17 <@deen> finally 17:17 < goo> oh nice 17:17 <@deen> Because German server got another DDoS and was down for 2 hours 17:17 <@deen> and then ranks didn't work in SA and Iran 17:17 < goo> oh 17:19 < goo> could you change New servers in South Africa thanks to goo! All DDNet locations now: to something like New servers in South Africa thanks to lordtheuns! All DDNet locations now: or New servers in South Africa thanks to goo, lordtheuns,Lexy with hosting sponsored by Afrihost! All DDNet locations now:? 17:19 <@deen> Sure 17:19 <@deen> I just always talked to you, so I thought you're responsible ;) 17:19 < goo> because theuns was crucial in obtaining the vps from afrihost, and i dont him him feeling like credits were dished out to wrong peson 17:21 <@deen> Done 17:21 < goo> they kinda follow me around where i go, so leave the technical side to me, but theuns had contacts in Afrihost, and offered to have a chat there, so it is more thanks to him, but afrihost is giving it free, so its mainly thanks to afrihost 17:22 < goo> so i guess the port change worked? 17:22 <@deen> I just rebooted the server at some time in the morning when noone was online 17:22 <@deen> and then it worked 17:23 <@deen> Do we need more servers in SA? 17:23 <@deen> Would be no problem 17:24 <@deen> Just have to make sure there's always some free server I guess 17:25 < goo> dont worry about setting up servers that arent connected to database due to maps that wage had, will setup some, including openfng server soon 17:25 <@deen> Hm =/ 17:25 <@deen> I would prefer to add the good maps wage had to ddnet 17:26 < goo> yes, there are some good ones, created by local community, but most were copies from ddracemax, and other random maps 17:26 < goo> one random map would be aip race, will setup a 24/7 aip-race server 17:26 <@deen> But with only 16 players? 17:26 <@deen> Hm 17:27 < goo> and the local map makers said they want to make a few fixes then will put maps forward to ddnet 17:27 <@deen> Why not try getting the really popular maps that you would rehost on ddnet? 17:29 < goo> many of the noob players are feeling resistant to the sudden changes and different servers/naming, will be using ddracenetwork binary, and host a few servers like this: Teeworlds South Africa: DDRace 1 - Novice 17:30 < goo> Teeworlds South Africa: DDRace 1 - Epic 17:30 < goo> Teeworlds South Africa: DDRace 1 - Nightmare 17:30 < goo> which is what the noobs are used to seeing 17:34 <@deen> Looks like noobs are already quite active on DDNet SA ;) 17:34 < goo> what is new ssh port? 17:34 <@deen> 6546 17:39 < goo> ok 17:46 <@deen> goo: I hope your guys don't start banning people =/ 17:47 <@deen> Was just on server and someone started threatening it already for no reason at all 17:47 < goo> i havnt done any rcon stuff 17:47 < goo> only i have the rcon, and Lexy andlordtheuns dont have the password yet 17:48 <@deen> Yeah, I'm worried about the "yet" part ;) 17:48 < goo> do you use teamspeak? 17:48 <@deen> I don't possess a microphone 17:49 < goo> because Lexy just came onto ts, and she has been targeted by votekicks for no reason 17:49 <@deen> Well, apparently because she used to ban people before 17:49 < goo> she is saying a guy threatened to ban/votekick here for ever 17:49 <@deen> I can give you the text 17:49 < goo> deen, admins mostly banned people for racism 17:50 < goo> as the company who sponsored the wage servers could be taken to court for racism 17:50 <@deen> now too? 17:50 < goo> no 17:51 <@deen> [14-05-22 17:38:18][chat]: wessel1150: Lexy: lol why dont u ban me? 17:51 <@deen> [14-05-22 17:38:47][chat]: wessel1150: Lexy: aaaah this is so nice i can kick a wage now 17:51 < goo> as, ddnetwork is an organisation overseas 17:51 <@deen> ddnet is not an organisation at all^^ 17:51 < goo> exactly 17:52 < goo> its community driven 17:52 <@deen> Haven't seen any racism yet on SA server 17:52 <@deen> Just sometimes kids hear that I have rcon and they start saying shit to see if I kick them 17:53 < goo> ok, but Lexy is ssaying because she is being threatened, that she will stay off servers and take community elsewhere 17:53 < goo> she has a large following of the local community 17:54 <@deen> What threat? 17:54 < goo> about being kicked from ddnet 17:55 < goo> i mean votekicked by trolls 17:55 <@deen> Trollvotes happen all the time to everyone 17:56 <@deen> People have threatened to kill. I thought that kind of threat 17:57 < goo> hm, she is feeling upset about being votekicked simply because she was admin on wage 17:57 < goo> im talking to her now to diffuse situtaion 17:58 <@deen> Sounds difficult 17:58 <@deen> The general idea on DDNet is to talk to people instead of banning them 18:00 <@deen> We also have some people in Europe who easily get insulted 18:01 <@deen> You can always mute individual players in your client 18:01 <@deen> And mute people on server if they don 18:01 <@deen> 't stop being racist 18:02 <@deen> If someone doesn't stop shit even after telling him multiple times, I usually vote for a kick 18:02 <@deen> and other players F3, so it's fine 18:36 < goo> deen: the thing is, admins on wage are being made to sound like complete dicks, the thing is, there were rules laid down, and they were cycled through. admins mostly warned for language 18:38 < goo> admins followed warn, kick, ban. there was no tolerance to sexual harassment, and racism, that were offences that got bans straight away 18:43 < goo> i also didnt tolerate admins abusing rcon, but never had a problem when i was the top guy for tw wage until i quit 2 start 2012. when i rejoined wage there were one or 2 admins that were allot stricter. but i rejoined wage not as top tw guy 18:46 <@deen> Yeah, they had rules on ddmax too and banned me forever for making a joke 18:46 <@deen> I'm kind of not a friend of that kind of rules 18:48 < goo> so you dont mind sexual harassment? 18:51 < goo> btw, is it really hard to put hosting sponsored by Afrihost in the motd? 18:53 <@deen> As I said, I talk to people instead of kicking them 18:54 <@deen> and if someone should be kicked, then other players should decide, not me 18:58 < goo> ok, so if a group goes onto a server, and votekicks any who join immeadiately, what do you do in such a scenario? 18:59 < goo> and another scenario, someone calls another player a kaffer(can be jailed here for that), and the offended player wants to take legal action, what would you do? its easier to just ban in both cases. 19:00 <@deen> First scenario sometimes happened (allegedly) 19:00 <@deen> I take a fake name and join the server 19:00 <@deen> and see what happens 19:00 < goo> the first case wont happen much, but the second case happens almost on daily basis 19:00 <@deen> If they actually try to kick me, I talk to them 19:00 <@deen> Only happened twice so far 19:00 <@deen> these groups are still playing, but never kicked anyone again like that 19:00 < goo> if you have a logfile set for our servers, do a search for the word kaffer, and i guarentee you will find it 19:01 <@deen> If I had kicked them, they would just join another of our 100 servers and kick people there 19:01 <@deen> and I can't follow people around all day 19:01 < goo> that is understandable, but what do you say for case 2? 19:02 <@deen> only one guy said "kaffer" so far 19:02 < goo> in second case the offended player has always been satisfied with a ban for the racist offense 19:03 <@deen> In Germany you can also get into legal trouble for insulting people, but noone ever asked me anything about that 19:03 <@deen> If someone insults you, why don't you mute him? 19:04 <@deen> You also get jailed here for saying nazi stuff 19:04 <@deen> and when someone named "Hitler" joins the server 19:05 <@deen> players usually kick him immediately 19:05 <@deen> so it's no problem 19:05 < goo> im talking about racist insults, even if the player it was directed at mutes, other players could feel offended, even if those mute, that is already after the insult. 19:06 <@deen> I must honestly say I don't know much about the situation in SA and don't understand it. So all I can do is compare it to how it's here in Europe 19:07 < goo> you can find videos of locals savagely beating a person to death, i mean, its like people here have become barbarians. with this what point im making is, if you say something wrong you can be killed for it 19:07 <@deen> And people write racist insults here too, which they usually get kicked for by other players 19:07 < goo> and in this one video, it was schoolkids, the other schoolkids watched on, some cheered on the group 19:08 <@deen> Btw, about "kaffer". How would you even now the skin color of someone else on the server? 19:09 < goo> regulars seem to know the ethnicity of other regulars 19:10 <@deen> So you suggest to kick people for insults? 19:10 <@deen> even if these insults are more jokes among friends? 19:10 < goo> we sometimes had the community votekick players who had used racism, but most of the time the offended player would still seek out an admin and ask for the player to be banned 19:11 <@deen> That would be so much work and what good does it do? He can just come back and do the same again, no? 19:13 < goo> deen: i always checked a situation before banning, even i didnt know it, but when i had been there and known the situation, i would talk them through why what they did was wrong, and they almost accepted it as a given that they would get a ban if it was racism, i never banned anyone for insults if it was a joke among friends 19:13 <@deen> That would probably take more than 24 hours / day for all the servers DDNet has 19:14 <@deen> Well, it's up to you 19:14 < goo> if a player was persuing a ban for something like racism, i would read through the logfile to see the chats, and very often the complainant had also broken rule, and so i just talked to both 19:14 <@deen> hm, we don't have rules^^ 19:15 < goo> ok, but i forgot to tell you, one condition from afrihost's sponsoring was that there will be no tolerance to racism and sexual harassment, im not making these up because of our discussion now 19:16 <@deen> Oh, I think I asked about that before 19:21 <@deen> Yeah, last time you said you are not sure about whether to have admins or not 19:21 <@deen> So I assumed you didn't have restrictions like that 19:23 < goo> well, when decisions are made, me, lordtheuns, and lexy meet, but when we were given vps, we had to draft a rules thingy, 19:23 <@deen> Oh? 19:23 <@deen> Never heard of the rules either 19:23 <@deen> I told everyone there are no rules on ddnet SA 19:24 < goo> they wanted to know what kind of rules we had at wage, and how we enforced, in the end it came down to no racism and no sexual harassment and they were happy with whatever other rules we added on 19:24 <@deen> And what rules did you add? 19:24 <@deen> I'd like to see them 19:29 < goo> well, none, we letting you have it as no admins, it will also be a nice break for us, since now we wont need to monitor every chat 24/7 19:29 <@deen> What about Afrihost? Are they fine like this? 19:29 < goo> well, the no racism and no sexual harassment still counts 19:29 <@deen> Ah, ok 19:33 < goo> but its funny, because you have not put Afrihost name anywhere, no one knows where to put such complaints 19:35 <@deen> Ah right 19:35 <@deen> About putting that somewhere 19:35 <@deen> You want in the motd at any cost? 19:35 <@deen> I'd prefer servername, it even has more visibility 19:35 < goo> yes 19:35 <@deen> because you can just search for afrihost 19:37 < goo> what about in announcements? or is announcements file written from database? 19:38 <@deen> Right now it's the same announcements for every server 19:38 <@deen> and with 14 announces, one every 30 minutes 19:38 <@deen> you have to wait 7 hours to read about afrihost 19:39 < goo> well, announcements are set to random select 19:39 <@deen> average 7 hours* 19:39 < goo> so it could be first, or take days 19:39 <@deen> Noone reads announces and motd in my experience :P 19:39 <@deen> So, what's your decision? 19:44 < goo> if possible make it in motd 19:44 <@deen> Everything is possible 19:49 < goo> some just take longer to figure out 19:49 < goo> but this one wont 19:54 <@deen> Done 19:55 <@deen> Will automatically appear on servers on a map change 20:06 < Zyther> Hi 20:06 < Zyther> can someone maybe help me out 20:07 * Zyther slaps deen around a bit with a large fishbot 20:07 < imp_> wow, chat works :O 20:07 < Zyther> yes 20:07 < Zyther> i need help lol 20:08 < imp_> in what 20:08 < Zyther> my teeworlds is not connecting to the sever 20:08 < Zyther> for some reason 20:08 < Zyther> it just says connecting 20:08 < imp_> only network or all server? 20:08 < Zyther> leme check quick 20:08 <@deen> haha 20:08 <@deen> hi Zyther 20:08 < imp_> deen why is my name screwed with this "slash" 20:09 < Zyther> hi 20:09 <@deen> Probably because someone on Quakenet is already called imp 20:09 < imp_> said my name is already used 20:09 <@deen> Yeah 20:09 < imp_> ? 20:09 < imp_> but isnt this "local" 20:09 < Zyther> i can connect to all other servers except these 20:09 < Zyther> 192.242.158.241:7304 - Solo server 20:09 < imp_> zyther happens to me sometimes to 20:10 < imp_> wait i look if they run for me 20:10 <@deen> imp_: nope, registered names can't be taken by anyone else 20:10 < Zyther> for some reason it just says connecting 20:10 <@deen> Zyther: that's usually a firewall somewhere misfiring, because it thinks something bad is running on that port 20:10 < imp_> it works for me 20:11 < imp_> deen is it anyhow able to add a copy/paste function in TW? 20:11 < Zyther> so i have to portforward all the servers ??? 20:11 < imp_> so you can copy server IP or chat 20:11 <@deen> imp_: probably yes, but it's work 20:11 < imp_> @k deen, if you are bored tell me 20:11 <@deen> Zyther: it's 197, not 192 20:11 < imp_> or paste things in chat 20:12 <@deen> 197.242.158.241:7304 20:12 < imp_> 185.37.147.11:8303 try this port 20:12 < Zyther> ah!!!!' 20:12 < imp_> its a novice server 20:12 < Zyther> awesome 20:12 <@deen> Zyther: you're welcome =) 20:12 < Zyther> thanks 20:12 <@deen> Zyther: for the future 20:12 < Zyther> lol been struggling for hours 20:12 <@deen> you can also write zaf.ddnet.tw:7304 20:12 < imp_> zyther thats 10$ for disturbing deen 20:13 < Zyther> lol 20:13 <@deen> or get ddnet client, you can find all servers with it 20:13 < Zyther> ! 20:13 <@deen> (I hope) 20:13 < Zyther> i have the client 20:13 < imp_> what does zaf mean? 20:13 <@deen> Then why do you enter IP by hand? 20:13 <@deen> imp_: South Africa 20:13 < Zyther> but it doesnt show the servers lol 20:13 < imp_> k 20:13 <@deen> Zyther: none at all? 20:13 < imp_> zyther you from that rural shit place? :D 20:13 < Zyther> only shows the international servers 20:14 <@deen> imp_: can you stop talking like that please? 20:14 < imp_> i consider murderer and crime with south africa anyhow :S 20:14 <@deen> Zyther: how many servers do you find total? 20:14 < Zyther> 1034 20:15 <@deen> That's all! 20:15 < imp_> im at 958 or so 20:15 <@deen> When you search for south africa, do you find anything? 20:15 < Zyther> yep lol 20:15 < Zyther> nope nothing 20:15 < Zyther> not even one lol 20:15 <@deen> Do you have a filter in? 20:15 <@deen> Click on Filters and uncheck all 20:15 <@deen> Filter* 20:16 < imp_> star looks cool **** 20:16 < Zyther> ah nvm 20:16 < imp_> zyther 20:16 < imp_> in how far does your english differ to GB or USA, are there differences? 20:16 < Zyther> thanx 20:16 < Zyther> lol didnt see they were selected 20:17 <@deen> Zyther: No problem 20:17 < Zyther> ??? 20:17 < imp_> i mean 20:17 < imp_> in south africa you speak english 20:17 < Zyther> yes ? 20:17 < imp_> and i woundered if there are spelling differences 20:17 < imp_> or new words or sth like that :D 20:17 <@deen> imp_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_slang_words 20:17 < imp_> i prefer 20:17 < imp_> personal information :p 20:18 < imp_> long list 20:18 < goo> tw.afrigamer.co.za also works 20:18 < Zyther> thanks deen for the help 20:18 <@deen> works for what? 20:19 <@deen> np Zyther =) 20:19 < Zyther> im off for now gonna jam :D 20:19 <@deen> Have fun! 20:19 < Zyther> max respect to you :D 20:19 < imp_> when did you publish this chat, ive never seen it before 20:19 <@deen> imp_: 10 months ago 20:19 < imp_> rly? 20:19 < imp_> ftw :D 20:19 <@deen> but mostly i'm sitting here alone 20:19 < imp_> no friends :D 20:20 <@deen> To me that means there are no serious problems with servers 20:20 < imp_> yeah 20:20 < imp_> or that noone knows thus 20:20 < imp_> this 20:20 <@deen> Well, it was directly on ddnet.tw until a month ago 20:20 < imp_> but server are running fine most of the time 20:20 < imp_> i dont see any problems 20:20 <@deen> Well, Persian goes down often 20:21 <@deen> China lags for many 20:21 <@deen> RUS has trouble sometimes 20:21 < imp_> well 20:21 < imp_> thats not my prob :D 20:21 <@deen> Chile always had problems 20:21 < imp_> at least i didnt know it 20:21 <@deen> Yesterday DDoS on German and down for 2 hours 20:21 <@deen> and so on 20:21 < imp_> why, bad server there? 20:21 < imp_> in china 20:21 <@deen> Bad internet connections I guess 20:22 < imp_> or the nuclear radiation of fukushima shows it effects :p 20:22 < imp_> its* 20:23 < imp_> but, when you consider what an avrg chinese earns a month, then i dont think that they can afford best inet and so on 20:23 <@deen> No, I mean the server has a bad connection 20:23 < imp_> k :D 20:23 < imp_> but 20:23 < imp_> bad conenction of user might be a problem too 20:24 < goo> deen: you know the vps uses tw.afrigamer.co.za? 20:24 <@deen> yes 20:24 < imp_> anyways, i leave you alone now, have to do some work 20:24 < goo> so the ip of that box points to that domain, so in tw you can use that domain 20:24 < imp_> hf here with goo (=world of goo? :) ) 20:24 <@deen> goo: as well as zaf.ddnet.tw 20:24 < goo> yes 20:24 <@deen> bye imp 20:24 < imp_> baye 20:26 < goo> im off too, need to finish my android chess app 20:26 <@deen> Have fun 20:26 < goo> just adding in player turns info text, and check text, so on. game functions kind of 20:26 < goo> ccheers 20:26 < imp_> goo? 20:26 < imp_> know world of goo? 20:27 < goo> imp_: my name is inspired by it xD 20:27 < imp_> k 20:27 < imp_> its so cool anyhow, and oldschool to be honest 20:27 < imp_> game is kinda old 20:27 < imp_> anyhow 20:27 <@deen> world of goo is old? 20:27 < goo> ive been playing teeworlds for 7 years :O 20:27 <@deen> what is teeworlds then? 20:27 < imp_> i think so 20:28 < imp_> i think i played it in 2008 or so 20:28 < imp_> or 2009 20:28 < goo> world of goo not too old 20:28 < imp_> for me as a young hipster they are 20:28 < imp_> for you 30+ year old guys probably not :p 20:29 < goo> 30+ :chokes on nothin in particular: 20:29 < imp_> goo you from south africa too? 20:29 < goo> yes 20:29 < imp_> k 20:29 < goo> u? 20:29 < imp_> europe 20:29 < imp_> austria 20:29 < imp_> if you ever heard about it :D 20:30 < goo> my yard is 2 acres 20:30 < imp_> k 20:30 < goo> xD 20:30 < goo> but no lions 20:30 < imp_> thts huge 20:30 < imp_> i mean 20:30 < goo> never believe a south african tell you he has pet wild life 20:31 < imp_> k 20:31 < imp_> 1 question 20:31 < imp_> when you started TW it was called teewars right? 20:31 < imp_> i can remember that it was called another way once 20:32 < imp_> it was shortly before i got in touch with TW